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Re:Judge in Fortnite case holds Tim Cook's feet to the fire by nucleardog on Friday May 21, 2021 @06:26PM (#27240747)
> The point is opening it up so users have a choice.

Users have a choice: Don't use iOS.

Their actions have pretty overwhelmingly spoken and they don't care. The only people that care are techies. And most obviously not that much because most meetings I show up to are still full of iPhones.

Re:Judge in Fortnite case holds Tim Cook's feet to the fire by kelnos on Friday May 21, 2021 @07:30PM (#27241259)
> Users have a choice: Don't use iOS.

The judge in question was clearly not at all impressed with this argument when Cook raised it, and neither am I.

This amounts to telling people to throw the baby out with the bathwater every time they have an issue with something.

Re:Judge in Fortnite case holds Tim Cook's feet to the fire by Daishiman on Friday May 21, 2021 @07:52PM (#27241469)
Sorry, but I don't believe that should be Apple's prerogative.

You say that users don't care, but users _don't know either_.

And whenever people lobby for right to repair laws and for consumers to _own_ hardware, guess who's always standing on the other saying that it ain't so.

Re:Judge in Fortnite case holds Tim Cook's feet to the fire by splitstud on Friday May 21, 2021 @07:53PM (#27241476)
Apple also has a choice. Begin conforming to our legal framework regarding monopolistic practices or pay a heavy price.
Re:Judge in Fortnite case holds Tim Cook's feet to the fire by tshaddox on Friday May 21, 2021 @06:35PM (#27240822)
I’m a techie and I don’t want to worry about malware, spyware, extensive software configuration, etc. on my microwave, my car, or my phone. I’ve got plenty of computing devices for that!
Re:Judge in Fortnite case holds Tim Cook's feet to the fire by moogly on Saturday May 22, 2021 @07:22AM (#27245468)
Re:Judge in Fortnite case holds Tim Cook's feet to the fire by egocentric on Friday May 21, 2021 @07:51PM (#27241457)
You will also have a choice: don’t use alternative stores

And if Apple is so concerned about user security & privacy when it comes to alternative app stores, they should adjust their policies so that the apps most users want will see no reason not to be on the App Store.

Re:Judge in Fortnite case holds Tim Cook's feet to the fire by ENGNR on Saturday May 22, 2021 @02:16PM (#27248970)
I switched from Android to iPhone because the hardware is excellent and lasts forever. They won the hardware battle

Should they then be able to leverage that position to instantly win and extort the marketplace built on the next layer up? It pretty much goes to the heart of antitrust

5-10%... sure maybe, 30% of saas fees... ridiculous

Re:Judge in Fortnite case holds Tim Cook's feet to the fire by ksec on Saturday May 22, 2021 @02:54PM (#27249246)
>Should they then be able to leverage that position to instantly win and extort the marketplace built on the next layer up? It pretty much goes to the heart of antitrust

Exactly. And yet this idea seems so hard to grasp for many, just look at the discussions around the web and on HN. Everyone over simplifies it to it is Apple's phone or Apple's App Store they do what ever they want. Or the user chose iPhone if you dont like it go and get an Android.

The judge actually pointed out ( Finally ! ) vast majority of revenue are coming from Games. Which means Gaming is in a way subsidising all other Apps in App Store.

I wish Apple separate the Game into Game Store and keep those 30%. While Apps and Services are 10%, with little curation of Apps with App Store. i.e You no longer block Apps for their political view or speeches. As long as they are legal you should allow them in within the quality guidelines and security clearance. Apple could still down rank all these lower quality apps should they choose to. They dont have to block it from accessing iPhone.

Re:Judge in Fortnite case holds Tim Cook's feet to the fire by ksec on Saturday May 22, 2021 @02:57PM (#27249277)
Just to add to all the replies.

EU is watching the case very carefully. While Americans might think Apple can do whatever they want with their devices. The same could not be said with the EU. And I am willing to bet the court battle wont flavour Apple because it seems the old world has a much different view to Anti Trust and Anti Competition than US.

And Apple will have a choice, comply or paid a heavy price.

Re:Judge in Fortnite case holds Tim Cook's feet to the fire by skinnymuch on Friday May 21, 2021 @08:11PM (#27241671)
And use what? I didn’t use iOS until Windows Mobile, then webOS, then Windows Phone died out in that order. Not much choice any more.
Re:Judge in Fortnite case holds Tim Cook's feet to the fire by rtpg on Saturday May 22, 2021 @12:52AM (#27243613)
Have you considered that the choice of phone might be despite this policy rather than because of it?

It is possible to demand better things from something you use. Not every issue is a hill to die on.