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Re:2022 Ford F-150 Lightning by xxpor on Friday May 21, 2021 @11:44AM (#27235511)
The problem is the high front makes it such that there's a huge blind spot.
Re:2022 Ford F-150 Lightning by codyswann on Friday May 21, 2021 @11:50AM (#27235610)
A blind spot that wasn't a blind spot five feet back. Like, when does this come into play? Describe a scenario.
Re:2022 Ford F-150 Lightning by hannasanarion on Friday May 21, 2021 @11:57AM (#27235719)
Ever heard of crosswalks? They're these things that people use to travel in front of cars while they're standing still.

Ford trucks are the #1 killer of children and adults at crosswalks because drivers can't see what they're about to run over, vehicles of that front-end design account for 40% of all pedestrian traffic deaths.

Re:2022 Ford F-150 Lightning by codyswann on Friday May 21, 2021 @12:02PM (#27235800)
So, you're trying to tell me, it's the truck's fault that a driver doesn't know they're at a crosswalk?

Do you own a truck? I do. I've owned a truck for 15 years. Some of them lifted, and unless you are pretty much parked on top of a crosswalk, there is no problem seeing the crosswalk. Especially 3-4 foot objects in said crosswalk.

Edit: F150 is the most popular vehicle in the US. So, yeah, it stands to reason it will kill more people than any other vehicle, too

Re:2022 Ford F-150 Lightning by hannasanarion on Friday May 21, 2021 @01:38PM (#27237229)
I'm telling you it's the truck's fault that the driver can't see the crosswalk.

There is a such thing as good and bad design. If I sell a hammer that shoots a bullet whenever you swing it for no good reason, I'm responsible for people getting shot.

Re:2022 Ford F-150 Lightning by codyswann on Friday May 21, 2021 @02:53PM (#27238310)
That analogy doesn't hold water. A hammer isn't meant to shoot bullets. So shooting bullets would be something the hammer was never intended to do.

What I'm telling you is that you have an opinion that is different from mine and also probably an ignorant one since you didn't answer my question about whether you have ever owned a truck.

Re:2022 Ford F-150 Lightning by hannasanarion on Friday May 21, 2021 @03:50PM (#27239050)
And obscuring driver's visibility to the point where they can't see objects less than 6 feet tall that they are about to hit all for the sake of aggressive and intimidating presentation to other road users isn't something pickup trucks were intended to do.

That's why professional models typically have cabover or sharply-sloped hood designs, not the enormous flattops that are marketed at suburbanites.

I have owned a truck, I drove a 1999 Chevy Silverado for ten years, it could haul just as much stuff as a 2020 F-150 but it also let me see the road.

Re:2022 Ford F-150 Lightning by codyswann on Friday May 21, 2021 @09:10PM (#27242179)
"objects less than 6 feet tall" That is utter nonsense. You're honestly saying you can't see something five feet off the ground in front of an F-150?

"1999 Chevy Silverado for ten years, it could haul just as much stuff as a 2020 F-150 but it also let me see the road" - this is also utter nonsense. A 1999 Silverado 1500 is a 1/4 ton truck with a TC of about 4,000 pounds. A 2020 F-150 is a 1/2 ton truck with a TC of about 7,000 pounds.

So the more apt comparison would be with a Ford Ranger, which obviously sits lower to the ground than an F-150, but having owned both a 2500 Silverado and several F-250, the front visibility isn't much different.

Re:2022 Ford F-150 Lightning by Der_Einzige on Friday May 21, 2021 @12:20PM (#27236064)
My lexus has a 360 camera that turns on when the car is moving at low speeds (e.g. when stopped at a crosswalk). I assume new ford trucks at even a few trim levels up will have this feature. You can prevent these kind of fuck-ups with cameras easily.
Re:2022 Ford F-150 Lightning by hannasanarion on Friday May 21, 2021 @01:39PM (#27237251)
You shouldn't need to take your eyes off the road to look at a camera screen just to see what's on the road in front of you. It's a car, not an armored fighting vehicle.
Re:2022 Ford F-150 Lightning by jbay808 on Friday May 21, 2021 @01:01PM (#27236707)
You get into your parked vehicle, check your phone for directions, find a route, confirm your arrival time, then put the key in the ignition and immediately run over a kid who stepped in front of your truck to grab their ball.
Re:2022 Ford F-150 Lightning by codyswann on Friday May 21, 2021 @03:19PM (#27238665)
So you run into the kid at 1 mph? Are we thinking people hammer down on the accelerator when leaving Walmart? And if so, we then blame the vehicle?
Re:2022 Ford F-150 Lightning by xxpor on Friday May 21, 2021 @02:20PM (#27237857)
Children playing in front of a stationary car, people walking in front of cars at gas stations/charging spots/parking lots in general.

https://youtu.be/NDH3FDfVQl0?t=68

Re:2022 Ford F-150 Lightning by codyswann on Friday May 21, 2021 @03:20PM (#27238680)
And you don't see those children there when you get into the vehicle?
Re:2022 Ford F-150 Lightning by xxpor on Friday May 21, 2021 @03:41PM (#27238937)
Sure, you do 99.9% of the time. But all it takes is once, you're distracted, someone's yelling at you from the house, whatever, and then that's it.
Re:2022 Ford F-150 Lightning by codyswann on Friday May 21, 2021 @09:11PM (#27242189)
And so that's the vehicle's responsibility? Like, you're complaining that a truck/suv has a 9-foot blind spot.

What's an acceptable blind spot - where if someone hits a laying down/sitting kid in front of their car, it's the driver's fault and not the vehicle's?