Five Oregon counties vote to leave state, create 'Greater Idaho'

Re:Five Oregon counties vote to leave state, create 'Greater... by j_walter on Thursday May 20, 2021 @05:51PM (#27227851)

This is exactly right. Pretty much anytime the government takes anything over or has a new program...it's a shit show from the beginning. See "Cover Oregon" for a waste of a few hundred million dollars...see "Pandemic Unemployment Fraud" for what is probably a hundred billion...see "PPP program" for what is continuously being found as having tons of fraud...see "Oregon Unemployment still programmed in COBOL and can't adjust the waiting period" for non-financial incompetence. If any area in government could run efficiently and we saw evidence of that...it would be a lot easier to convince everyone that things like universal healthcare would be a good idea.

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Re:Five Oregon counties vote to leave state, create 'Greater... by chrononaut on Thursday May 20, 2021 @06:53PM (#27228452)

I am not certain the point you are making.

Are you saying you believe that there are no programs in existence, which are government-run, that are not "shit shows" ?

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Re:Five Oregon counties vote to leave state, create 'Greater... by oceanplexian on Thursday May 20, 2021 @09:21PM (#27229496)

There are some programs out there that are OK, but I think the gist of the problem is you are missing out on free market forces like price discovery, private equity, and are manipulating risk so anything the government touches ends up becoming less efficient and built with different constraints.

Of course, there are times when efficiency is not the thing we’re optimizing for. The Space Program is an example of a pretty great government program; there was no profit or benefit to private space travel in the 1950s and 60s so the government had to subsidize it, but now that we are starting to see private business catch up, the best thing to do is get government out of the way. This is not all that different during the Age of Discovery where kings and queens subsidized trans-oceanic travel.

IMHO government should only exist to fix free market deficiencies (Monopolies, unfair competition, fledgling industries, lack of players). Not to take over a market and try to dictate it from the top down. Ultimately the goal should be that all people make enough of a wage to afford healthcare and let the market handle it. And still have a safety net for those who fall through the cracks, but the safety net should never be the goal.

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Re:Five Oregon counties vote to leave state, create 'Greater... by smolder on Friday May 21, 2021 @05:12AM (#27231905)

It's ironic that many of the people I know who have a right leaning politics and a hatred of government waste are also working in sectors that get fat off government waste.

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