Re:Nonnative English speakers share their gripes about speak...
by hervature on Thursday May 20, 2021 @02:30PM
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Very interesting. The connection to French is not immediately obvious as both "purchase" and "buy" would translate to "achat". However, "por chase" in French is "for the chase/hunt" which begins to resemble some definition of "purchase".
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Re:Nonnative English speakers share their gripes about speak...
by quickthrowman on Thursday May 20, 2021 @02:48PM
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Norman/Saxon meat/animal word pairs are interesting; the saxons were the hunters and farmers, and the normans ate the meat. This led to a bunch of word pairs:
Beef/cow
Poultry/chicken
Pork/pig
Veal/calf
Mutton/sheep
There are other areas of English vocabulary with dual Saxon/Norman words as well.Bill Bryson has a great book that explores how English became what it is now: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mother_Tongue It’s an easy read with lots of interesting info.
Re:Nonnative English speakers share their gripes about speak...
by Mediterraneo10 on Thursday May 20, 2021 @06:27PM
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Please don’t recommend Bill Bryson’s The Mother Tongue. Bryson has no actual background in linguistics and there is a factual error or urban myth on nearly every page of that book. There are loads of pop-sci “history of English” books written by people who were actually competent in the subject.
Re:Nonnative English speakers share their gripes about speak...
by quickthrowman on Friday May 21, 2021 @01:19PM
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Thanks for the heads up, I looked into criticism of this book and I won’t recommend it in the future.
If you happen to see this reply, would ‘Our Magnificent Bastard Tongue: The Untold History of English’ by McWhorter be a better choice for a pop-sci history of English? r/Linguistics seems to be fine with him.
Re:Nonnative English speakers share their gripes about speak...
by BrandoElFollito on Thursday May 20, 2021 @04:02PM
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In which French did you find "por chase”? (this is not aggressive, I am french and this does not mean anything but it may be a dialect or some as ancient French?)
Re:Nonnative English speakers share their gripes about speak...
by jgwil2 on Friday May 21, 2021 @10:53AM
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The etymology given by Wiktionary[0] is:
> From Middle English purchasen, from Anglo-Norman purchacer (“seek to obtain”) from pur- (from Latin pro-) + chac(i)er (“to chase, pursue”). Compare Old French porchacier (“to follow, to chase”), which has given French pourchasser (“to chase without relent”).
Re:Nonnative English speakers share their gripes about speak...
by BrandoElFollito on Friday May 21, 2021 @12:46PM
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OK thanks, so this is XIV-XV century French (http://micmap.org/dicfro/search/dictionnaire-godefroy/porcha...)