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Re:Ampere switching to in-house CPU designs by sharpneli on Thursday May 20, 2021 @06:39AM (#27219502)
Reminds me of the AMD ARM server boards, that happened way after Itanium and they still repeated the exact same mistake.

Basically there was no way of getting your hands on them. They were interested only in "Serious customers".

Re:Ampere switching to in-house CPU designs by PaulHoule on Thursday May 20, 2021 @09:12AM (#27220645)
If the market for something is already established it makes sense to stick to "serious customers".

If the market isn't established then you may need to get traction with the dreamers and misfits.

Re:Ampere switching to in-house CPU designs by mumblemumble on Thursday May 20, 2021 @10:55AM (#27221908)
I see this happen with software projects, too. For example, I'm pretty sure that this same phenomenon is the main thing that killed Smalltalk.
Re:Ampere switching to in-house CPU designs by Quequau on Thursday May 20, 2021 @07:24AM (#27219738)
I presume that the performance segment that Itanium was intended for is Intel's most profitable. So everyone who proposes to make server chips targets that segment, pretty much to the exclusion of everything else.

Having seen this play out a number of times I don't think targetting that segment and only that segment is a great idea.

Re:Ampere switching to in-house CPU designs by ethbr0 on Thursday May 20, 2021 @07:32AM (#27219792)
I'm convinced sales forecasters don't actually understand how software ecosystems work.

From a stack perspective, you can't really go it alone anymore. The total necessary software universe is too large to rebuild on a reasonable timescale, and too expensive to rebuild by oneself.

IBM is about the smallest scale that can do this -- and even they're leveraging decades of effort.

Re:Ampere switching to in-house CPU designs by oblio on Thursday May 20, 2021 @07:44AM (#27219895)
IBM and Apple. Which makes Apple's Big Brother ad even funnier.
Re:Ampere switching to in-house CPU designs by dralley on Thursday May 20, 2021 @10:07AM (#27221256)
Although IBM is doing it x2, with s390x and also with POWER.