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Re:The End of Retirement (2014) by roenxi on Thursday May 20, 2021 @06:25AM (#27219416)
> The average well educated American understands that the European and Scandanavian models work better than the American system for all Americans.

There is no way the average well educated American understands what the European or Scandanavian model is. These systems are complicated moving targets and documented in a foreign language.

Americans are arguing over what they imagine the model to be, and have probably gotten it wrong.

Re:The End of Retirement (2014) by bryanrasmussen on Thursday May 20, 2021 @06:37AM (#27219487)
the question really is what "the average well educated American" means, it sounds like it might mean the average American, who just happens to be well educated, but I think it probably means the average among the group defined as well-educated Americans.

And then what does well-educated mean?

Re:The End of Retirement (2014) by leetcrew on Thursday May 20, 2021 @11:33AM (#27222483)
the "average well educated american" is the subset of americans that agrees with my political conclusions. if they disagree with me, they obviously weren't educated very well.
Re:The End of Retirement (2014) by kingsuper20 on Thursday May 20, 2021 @11:05AM (#27222068)
>There is no way the average well educated American understands what the European or Scandinavian model is.

I would agree. It's similar to the lack of deep knowledge of public health systems in other countries, which are typically understood as slogans.

There's also the unwritten parts of a 'Scandinavian Model' (or whoever). These are monocultures with their own logic and behavior.

Re:The End of Retirement (2014) by sangnoir on Thursday May 20, 2021 @12:23PM (#27223219)
> These are monocultures with their own logic and behavior.

America is a monoculture too, to non-racialists. The differences between Americans can be attributed to sub-region and class/income - not race

Re:The End of Retirement (2014) by kingsuper20 on Thursday May 20, 2021 @03:48PM (#27226195)
What exactly do you think 'culture' means?
Re:The End of Retirement (2014) by sangnoir on Thursday May 20, 2021 @07:19PM (#27228684)
There's nothing about culture that ties it permanently to race, if that's what you're insinuating. Racial diversity does not imply cultural diversity - which is an incorrect shortcut that I've seen most people who deploy the "but the nordics are not as diverse" argument - especially American whose media consumption tends to be more insular.

I think there's a fallacy at play - not sure which one it is, whereby a person sees a lot of nuance, variation and detail in the minutiae of what they are familiar with, but the unfamiliar is painted in very broad strokes, lacking nuance, and based on surface-level understanding.

Re:The End of Retirement (2014) by dragonwriter on Thursday May 20, 2021 @06:32AM (#27219464)
> > The average well educated American understands that the European and Scandanavian models work better than the American system for all Americans.

> There is no way the average well educated American understands what the European or Scandanavian model is.

Understanding its relative performance is orthogonal to understanding how it generates that performance, so that’s not really even the outline of a rebuttal.

> These systems are complicated moving targets and documented in a foreign language.

There's plenty of documentation of pretty much every significant world politico-economic system in English.

Re:The End of Retirement (2014) by roenxi on Thursday May 20, 2021 @07:56AM (#27219993)
> There's plenty of documentation of pretty much every significant world politico-economic system in English.

Coincidentally, I haven't ever managed to find anything on how the Chinese actually operate. I'd be very interested to know what they've done - for all that I don't like their approach to freedom they did engineer one of the (if not simply 'the') greatest economic miracles of history.

Love or hate them, there is something to learn from in China. They seem to be fairly tight-lipped on the details of what. Nobody in the western media seems to care.

Re:The End of Retirement (2014) by Oddskar on Thursday May 20, 2021 @07:49AM (#27219937)
> There's plenty of documentation of pretty much every significant world politico-economic system in English.

Seeing reporting from Nordic political issues in US-based media; they often get it wrong. Sometimes a little bit wrong. Often a very skewed incomplete image.

Re:The End of Retirement (2014) by dragonwriter on Thursday May 20, 2021 @10:24AM (#27221478)
> Seeing reporting from Nordic political issues in US-based media; they often get it wrong. Sometimes a little bit wrong. Often a very skewed incomplete image.

That’s true of US political issues, too. A “well educated American” is both aware of this and is educated on issues beyond transitory immediate events by sources beyond just the news media.

Re:The End of Retirement (2014) by ClumsyPilot on Thursday May 20, 2021 @11:00AM (#27221982)
"A well educated voter" is like a perfectly inelastic collision on a frictionless surface - the cobclusions provided are difficult apply in reality