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Re:UK Rail services to come under unified state control by rich_sasha on Thursday May 20, 2021 @03:06AM (#27218256)
Re infrastructure, my worst memories involve commuting between Oxford and London (a major rail route in the grand scheme of things) and it breaking down a few times a month, especially in winter, due to “signalling failures”.

It turns out rail signals were controlled by buried cables without adequate insulation, so when it was wet they literally stopped working. And yes, this was 21st century, not steam trains.

Re:UK Rail services to come under unified state control by Doctor_Fegg on Thursday May 20, 2021 @04:31AM (#27218782)
> It turns out rail signals were controlled by buried cables without adequate insulation, so when it was wet they literally stopped working

More than that: buried cables without adequate insulation and nobody knew where they were buried.

Railtrack (the unlamented privatised company that originally took on the railway infrastructure) threw out the engineering diagrams. So when the time came to dig up the Great Western Main Line out of London for electrification, signalling failures were a routine occurrence because someone had put an excavator through a signalling cable... again.

Re:UK Rail services to come under unified state control by petepete on Thursday May 20, 2021 @03:20AM (#27218342)
Until lockdown I commuted to Manchester on the Rochdale line in Leyland-branded Pacers[0]. Trains with an intended lifespan of "no more than twenty years", that are now 35-40 years old. The tickets cost £100 per month and in the years I did it, only managed to find a seat on a handful of occasions. I had to wait at the station because the train was too full more frequently than finding a seat - often they'd show up with only two carriages.

[0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacer_(British_Rail)

Re:UK Rail services to come under unified state control by madaxe_again on Thursday May 20, 2021 @03:30AM (#27218403)
£100 a month? It’s £200 return for a day for Bristol to London - and that’s if the train gets you there, and doesn’t dump you somewhere outside of Chippenham because it’s the wrong kind of sunny today and the rails have buckled, or it’s cold and the rails have frozen, or it’s raining and the train is poorly with diesel cholera. All of these are acts of god, of course, so aren’t compensatable events.
Re:UK Rail services to come under unified state control by slifin on Thursday May 20, 2021 @03:46AM (#27218502)
Yep just wanted to echo this I live in Bristol and have been stung by outrageous tickets prices too many times

It's buses or coaches only now, I'm not surprised everyone drives here

Re:UK Rail services to come under unified state control by yakshaving_jgt on Thursday May 20, 2021 @04:04AM (#27218614)
The last time I had to travel from London to Bristol and back, I rented a car from Heathrow airport and it cost me a quarter of the price the train would. It takes the same amount of time, but the car is more comfortable and worse for the environment. The system is so broken in the UK.
Re:UK Rail services to come under unified state control by 7952 on Thursday May 20, 2021 @08:08AM (#27220086)
Problem is that there is massive pent up demand. Cheaper tickets mean more people travelling longer distances to work when there isn't capacity. The last thing we need is even more regular commuting to London from outside greater London.

This demand is caused by high house prices and lack of opportunities outside of the SE. Trains are a sticky plaster that gives lots of subsidy to middle class commuters whilst local bus services are cut. Distance is also environmentally problematic regardless of mode of transport.

Re:UK Rail services to come under unified state control by thorin on Thursday May 20, 2021 @04:51AM (#27218901)
Something like 160 pounds at peak time from Nottingham to London. Service is good but it's just inconceivable that private individuals would be paying that, all the travelers are on expenses or are self employed contractors/consultants. When I started working and up till about 2005 the same journey was about 40 pounds - a massive increase!
Re:UK Rail services to come under unified state control by rich_sasha on Thursday May 20, 2021 @03:42AM (#27218489)
There’s also “leaves on the track”, my personal favourite. Sometimes I struggle to believe trains were invented in the UK!
Re:UK Rail services to come under unified state control by cosmodisk on Thursday May 20, 2021 @04:00AM (#27218592)
This one,albeit sounding funny,is a pretty serious issue: leaves get crushed under the weight of a train and eventually form a teflon like film on the tracks, which makes it very slippery. Not an expert in this area,so no idea how it's dealt with in various countries.

My favourite is: the carriage is deflated. People couldn't stop laughing when told so, but what it meant in reality is that the support cushions deflated and the carriage can't have passengers on board.

Re:UK Rail services to come under unified state control by kevin_thibedeau on Thursday May 20, 2021 @04:20AM (#27218725)
Most systems with wet leaf problems use sand dispensers for added traction.
Re:UK Rail services to come under unified state control by madaxe_again on Thursday May 20, 2021 @04:25AM (#27218750)
And there’s the rub. Is that network rail’s problem, or the operator’s? Network rails’s rails... operator’s train wheels, leaves in the middle. The leaves are undefined, and are therefore probably nobody’s problem but the passengers’.
Re:UK Rail services to come under unified state control by petepete on Thursday May 20, 2021 @04:02AM (#27218604)
£100 per month for six miles each way when bought as a season ticket.

A Bristol to London season ticket is £1300 per month for ~120 miles each way. Bargain!

Re:UK Rail services to come under unified state control by verytrivial on Thursday May 20, 2021 @09:36AM (#27220926)
Same here, but newer trains no-one was really asking for, and tickets about three x what you were paying (about £290/month and no seats from my stop in, 25 minutes.) The line -- Thameslink -- got so bad the government took over paying the compenstation rebates for distrupted customer journeys while letting the operators continue to trouser all the fares in addition to something a 4 billion pound operating payment regardless of how badly they performed.

This is pure, Tory mansion-building stuff and apparently exactly what everyone who bothers to vote in this country wants. Yay.

Re:UK Rail services to come under unified state control by mjbeswick on Thursday May 20, 2021 @04:36AM (#27218809)
£100 a month not bad. My season ticket used to cost £4400, for a 25 minute ride to London waterloo, and tube to Hammersmith. Still cheaper than £28 for the day!
Re:UK Rail services to come under unified state control by bencollier49 on Thursday May 20, 2021 @04:05AM (#27218626)
Ah yes, the Pacers - they were literally based on remodelled bus designs. Did yours smell strongly of mildew?
Re:UK Rail services to come under unified state control by petepete on Thursday May 20, 2021 @04:10AM (#27218654)
To be fair they were clean and well-maintained. They also had the benefit of being flushed through with fresh air - a result of the doors not forming a seal around the edges.
Re:UK Rail services to come under unified state control by bencollier49 on Thursday May 20, 2021 @07:12AM (#27219677)
We had ones which smelled like the seats had been left in a damp garage for a couple of years.
Re:UK Rail services to come under unified state control by AdmiralGinge on Thursday May 20, 2021 @05:39AM (#27219188)
It's even worse in the other direction; I used to go from Oxford to Aberystwyth quite often and Arriva Wales were truly appalling. They only ever ran two carriages for part of the route despite Aberystwyth being a university town so even when the Biblical unreliability of the trains wasn't a factor you were inevitably crammed in like cattle for the slaughterhouse. I've heard things are a bit better now Transport for Wales has taken over.

Beeching's axe really did a number on Wales, the country is effectively cut in half by rail and travel between North Wales and Cardiff takes a massive 3+ hour detour across the border to Shrewsbury. Reversing some of his cuts and reopening the Aberystwyth to Carmarthen line has been seriously talked about in recent years and I think it would be a very good idea. Beeching's cuts were extraordinarily myopic and allegedly the government of the day was in bed with road haulage companies who had an interest in hurting the railways. At any rate I hope his route to the afterlife involved a tediously indirect detour via limbo and purgatory!

Re:UK Rail services to come under unified state control by chalst on Thursday May 20, 2021 @03:24AM (#27218370)
Indeed. At the time of privatisation, I commuted to Oxford from a small village that was 20 min train ride away. Privatisation encouraged me to make the switch to the 45 minute cycle ride, which I suppose was good for me. I do remember seeing the automated departures table being 80% filled with notices of cancelled services or trains that were over an hour late.
Re:UK Rail services to come under unified state control by Y_Y on Thursday May 20, 2021 @03:19AM (#27218331)
Alas this seems to be best served by bus nowadays. The buses are comfortable and cheap, and connect several places in Oxford to Victoria coach station.
Re:UK Rail services to come under unified state control by Doctor_Fegg on Thursday May 20, 2021 @04:33AM (#27218791)
Cheap, certainly. Also slow, and comfortable's in the eye of the beholder (I can't read in a road vehicle, so not for me). The Paddington services are much better these days, and there's also the excellent (new) Marylebone service. I live just outside Oxford and wouldn't dream of getting the bus.
Re:UK Rail services to come under unified state control by chalst on Thursday May 20, 2021 @03:44AM (#27218495)
My experience of road travel in the south was that delays were too frequent for journeys crossing the M25 for me to depend on it. That's from before good consumer traffic analysis apps; maybe those improve things enough.
Re:UK Rail services to come under unified state control by tonyedgecombe on Thursday May 20, 2021 @05:39AM (#27219187)
Actually the Oxford to London bus services have been shutting down because of falling passenger numbers and traffic congestion.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-50992888

Re:UK Rail services to come under unified state control by yrro on Thursday May 20, 2021 @01:08PM (#27223906)
A lot of those passengers went over to Stagecoach's competing Oxford Tube service, which served a couple of different stops within London, but (in my experience) offered a much more frequent service.
Re:UK Rail services to come under unified state control by mytailorisrich on Thursday May 20, 2021 @03:24AM (#27218367)
There are nice, fast trains from Paddington to the West, including Oxford.