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Re:UK Rail services to come under unified state control by cies on Thursday May 20, 2021 @02:55AM (#27218189)
And so the privatization experiment come to an end. Bye bye Thatcherism. I hope this silly belief in the cure-all of "small govt" will die with it.

Sure govt's should not supply all food, or luxury good, or ... But public transport, schools, hospitals, ...

I think we should make a good set of rules by which we can decide which typed of biz should be in private hands, and what we prefer public.

The Fed, Blackwater, prisons, rail, hospitals, banks... What could possibly go wrong?

Re:UK Rail services to come under unified state control by leskat on Thursday May 20, 2021 @02:58AM (#27218202)
For what it's worth, even Thatcher thought rail privatisation was "a privatisation too far" [1].

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Privatisation_of_British_Rail#...

Re:UK Rail services to come under unified state control by cies on Thursday May 20, 2021 @03:14AM (#27218302)
Thatcherism went beyond the namesake :)
Re:UK Rail services to come under unified state control by Traster on Thursday May 20, 2021 @03:02AM (#27218231)
No it doesn't, this is absolutely not the end of privatization. Private companies will still be running all the trains, the only difference will be they'll be run under the branding of GBR so that people can't complain about the private companies.

All this does is move the accountability away from the private companies.

Re:UK Rail services to come under unified state control by cies on Thursday May 20, 2021 @03:13AM (#27218300)
Sadly.
Re:UK Rail services to come under unified state control by throwaway210222 on Thursday May 20, 2021 @02:59AM (#27218209)
> The Fed, Blackwater, prisons, rail, hospitals, banks... What could possibly go wrong?

This is not a universal truth. Come enjoy an African government hospital, then sample one of the listed private hospitals.

Re:UK Rail services to come under unified state control by fnord123 on Thursday May 20, 2021 @03:12AM (#27218286)
"There exists a private hospital in a country of superior quality to a public hospital in the same country" is a weak claim. Even weaker is "there exists a private hospital in the world of superior quality to a public hospital also in the world".
Re:UK Rail services to come under unified state control by mytailorisrich on Thursday May 20, 2021 @03:28AM (#27218391)
Private hospitals are usually nicer than public ones everywhere, but that's obviously to be expected.

However, that misses the point of state involvement in education and healthcare, which is universal access. Of course people with money will have access to (good) schools and (good) healthcare. The state is involved so that everyone has access to those services.

Re:UK Rail services to come under unified state control by fnord123 on Thursday May 20, 2021 @04:27AM (#27218759)
Education and healthcare also have network effects. If people near you are ill then you're likely to also become ill. If people around you think taxation is theft and coercion then they can band together and elect people with similar brain worms into government.
Re:UK Rail services to come under unified state control by samatman on Thursday May 20, 2021 @03:16AM (#27218317)
I'm fairly certain that the claim you're replying to is that private hospitals in the countries in question are consistently better than public ones.
Re:UK Rail services to come under unified state control by fnord123 on Thursday May 20, 2021 @04:25AM (#27218749)
If that was the claim, then why consider African hospitals instead of any hospital?
Re:UK Rail services to come under unified state control by throwaway210222 on Thursday May 20, 2021 @08:51AM (#27220446)
because:

1. its were I live

2. its where glib statements about the virtues government-run organisations slam into cold hard reality. More so than say Switzerland.

3. try get an EU/US/CA/AU/NZ/JP expat to work in Africa and expect his family to use government hospitals. Really, try.

Re:UK Rail services to come under unified state control by samatman on Thursday May 20, 2021 @12:20PM (#27223172)
Because those are the countries in question.
Re:UK Rail services to come under unified state control by JgiuX76h on Thursday May 20, 2021 @03:10AM (#27218278)
This type of "privatization" doesn't make the government any smaller. There is still exactly the same amount of coercion and government control.
Re:UK Rail services to come under unified state control by ClumsyPilot on Thursday May 20, 2021 @03:16AM (#27218312)
Building railways roads and essential national infrastructure... Coersion?
Re:UK Rail services to come under unified state control by JgiuX76h on Thursday May 20, 2021 @03:21AM (#27218346)
Yes. Taxing people to pay for those things requires coercion. Preventing other people from providing completing services requires coercion.
Re:UK Rail services to come under unified state control by ClumsyPilot on Thursday May 20, 2021 @07:21AM (#27219725)
I have lives in 3 coubtries and never seen a government preventing anyone from building private roads, railways, etc. Somehow essential infrastructure is not a popular business investment

Also by that logic stopping people from dueling or stabbing each-other on the street is coersion . Stopping coersion by mafia is coersion. How is this a usefull concept?

Re:UK Rail services to come under unified state control by cies on Thursday May 20, 2021 @04:00AM (#27218598)
Tax could befall only businesses, which are coerced anyway (as you need a license to start a business). Then the businesses increase prices for their products, for which consumers ultimately pay (uncoerced).
Re:UK Rail services to come under unified state control by modo_mario on Thursday May 20, 2021 @08:04AM (#27220054)
So how are they prevented from building competing tracks and more importantly how would one build competing tracks if allowed?