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Re:All Hail King Pokémon by rogerdb on Wednesday May 19, 2021 @03:47PM (#27213541)
I don't think it's too surprising - cards from this era are primarily collector items, so among equal rarity cards, the most "iconic" ones are the ones that demand the highest price. Charizard had a pre-existing (and continued) level of popularity that made it the obvious most desirable card, even if it's not particularly playable. MTG didn't have the existing IP, so the cards that became iconic are more based around their playability, rarity, and associated mythos. Not too many people are dropping $20,000+ for a lotus to play it in vintage, but the prices continue to rise because of increasing collectibility. For what it's worth, Ancestral Recall is arguably a stronger card of equal rarity, but it's worth substantially less on the basis of being less iconic (if only slightly).
Re:All Hail King Pokémon by germinalphrase on Wednesday May 19, 2021 @03:55PM (#27213659)
Is there a standard list of highly valuable MTG cards? I have a couple thousand cards from the mid-90s and while I’m sure they are probably worthless, I can’t bring myself to just dump them even though I haven’t played in 20 years.
Re:All Hail King Pokémon by rogerdb on Wednesday May 19, 2021 @04:37PM (#27214162)
Depends on your definition of "highly valuable" - from that time period, there's a very short list of cards worth >$1000, quite a few in the $100-$999 range, and a ton in the >$10 bracket. What they're actually worth depends a lot on the particular printing and what condition they're in.

If you wanted a starting point, Scryfall is a useful tool for looking up cards (though they're missing pricing data for some early cards, presumably due to scarcity of transaction data). Here's something to get you started (cards printed before 2000, sorted by price, displayed as a price list): https://scryfall.com/search?q=unique%3Aprints+sort%3Ausd+dat...

Re:All Hail King Pokémon by fencepost on Wednesday May 19, 2021 @06:06PM (#27215151)
You could do worse than taking a look at relevant videos here (https://m.youtube.com/channel/UCTp-iVOtTrKau0skmfZlo5Q).

A lot of it will come down to the value of your time. You can sell directly yourself but deal with headaches and scammers, or you can sell to someone like Rudy for what will likely be ~50% of prices you'll see online. Part of that is that most of your cards will probably be considered in "played" condition, either light or heavy.

Re:All Hail King Pokémon by 16mb on Wednesday May 19, 2021 @04:35PM (#27214138)
Re:All Hail King Pokémon by hsndmoose on Wednesday May 19, 2021 @04:38PM (#27214173)
https://www.mtgstocks.com/lists

IMO you'd get a lot of mileage from the "Reserved List" or "Vintage Staples" but site is decent for a general price lookup as well.

Feel free to shoot follow-up questions. There are a few cards that went from trash to treasure since you've been out of the game. Lion's Eye Diamond probably the most extreme example, but basically anything on the Reserved List has gone insane in the past few years.

Re:All Hail King Pokémon by herodoturtle on Wednesday May 19, 2021 @05:01PM (#27214411)
Heya, mind if I jump in here - this comment has piqued my interest.

I've got an old collection from the early 90s as mentioned in my comment further up.

Are my black bordered cards indeed Beta?

I'm going through this list you shared for the Beta edition cards and some of these prices are ridiculous.

I'm pretty sure I'm misinterpreting something.

Re:All Hail King Pokémon by scubbo on Wednesday May 19, 2021 @05:43PM (#27214880)
> Are my black bordered cards indeed Beta?

https://old.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/bsvg6h/an_updated... is the best way for you to answer "what set is this Magic card from?"

Re:All Hail King Pokémon by aardvark179 on Wednesday May 19, 2021 @05:09PM (#27214478)
Your cards are almost certainly worth a lot less. Maybe they are beta, but they probably aren’t nearly as good condition as you would like to think.
Re:All Hail King Pokémon by herodoturtle on Wednesday May 19, 2021 @05:17PM (#27214565)
I'm sure you're right.

I played these cards to death and didn't really care for their condition aside from just sticking them in plastic sleeves.

Anyway this was a fun little trip down memory lane.

Maybe they'll be worth something in another 20 years?

Re:All Hail King Pokémon by hsndmoose on Wednesday May 19, 2021 @06:45PM (#27215471)
Even "pretty bad" condition Beta is still worth a pretty penny. Lots of people just want to have complete sets, or play "1994" League which allows only cards from that era. There will definitely be a market if you do indeed have Beta :)
Re:All Hail King Pokémon by paulpauper on Wednesday May 19, 2021 @09:07PM (#27216271)
this cannot be real. how is a dual land worth thousands of dollars
Re:All Hail King Pokémon by YeGoblynQueenne on Friday May 21, 2021 @01:19PM (#27236976)
They are dual lands with basic land types without any abilities (other than the mana abilities they inherit from their basic land types) which also means without any drawbacks. They're just "Swamp Forest", "Mountain Forest", "Island Swamp", etc. See here:

https://mtg.fandom.com/wiki/Dual_land

And they are literally what their type lines say. So you basically get two lands with a basic type for the price of one (i.e. one card, or one land drop; card and tempo advantage, 2-in-1). Their only limitation is that they are not basic lands so they are subject to the restriction of number of copies per deck (4, in most formats).

Every dual land created subsequently has some kind of drawback or limitation (other than the number of copies restriction): "Enters the battlefield tapped", paying some amount of life or taking damage, sacrificing a permanent, discarding a card (I think), printed as bouble-faced card, and so on.

Re:All Hail King Pokémon by hdctambien on Thursday May 20, 2021 @06:08AM (#27219334)
The original dual lands are very powerful in the game and haven't been reprinted since Revised so there aren't a lot of them. And people pay that much for them.

Modern dual lands come with restrictions/penalties for taking advantage of their dualness (time delays, damage, choosing which version to use when played, etc) and they are often some of the most valuable cards in a set.

Re:All Hail King Pokémon by gpderetta on Thursday May 20, 2021 @07:28AM (#27219762)
They were already expensive, but this year they spiked further. There is also a very large price difference between Alpha/Beta/Unlimited/Revised.
Re:All Hail King Pokémon by herodoturtle on Wednesday May 19, 2021 @04:53PM (#27214338)
I'm chuckling to myself because we're literally in the same boat.

I still have my collection from the 90s, which I obsessed over as a kid.

I just used the fellow HN user's link in this thread to check the value of some of my cards.

Turns out my black and white vampire angel deck is worth a chunk of change!

And at the time I remember being teased for using outdated Beta cards because I was too poor to buy newer packs.

Thanks for the trip down memory lane ^_^

Re:All Hail King Pokémon by GuB-42 on Wednesday May 19, 2021 @06:09PM (#27215167)
Even though the Black Lotus value is mostly as a collector's item, in game, it has the advantage of being extremely versatile. As someone said, all decks are better with a Black Lotus. It is the most expensive because everyone wants it in their deck, no exception, and more than a one if it wasn't restricted (initially, it wasn't).

Ancestral Recall may be more powerful but it requires blue mana, which may be an issue in a non-blue deck, of course you can use a Black Lotus for that...

Re:All Hail King Pokémon by thaumasiotes on Wednesday May 19, 2021 @06:45PM (#27215481)
> As someone said, all decks are better with a Black Lotus. It is the most expensive because everyone wants it in their deck, no exception, and more than a one if it wasn't restricted (initially, it wasn't).

> Ancestral Recall may be more powerful but it requires blue mana, which may be an issue in a non-blue deck, of course you can use a Black Lotus for that...

It's true that everyone wants it with no exceptions. That's not good enough to make it the most expensive card, though; that's due to prestige.

If you look at the decklists for a recent Vintage event (here: https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/mtgo-standings... ), you can see the top 16 decks play 16 Black Lotuses, just 11 Ancestral Recalls... and 16 Mishra's Workshops, which accounts for 80% of the decks that aren't playing Ancestral Recall.

There's no such thing as a "non-blue deck" in Vintage. Even the Mishra's Workshop decks can easily generate blue mana. (The Bazaar of Baghdad deck in 15th place can't, but its whole strategy revolves around not needing to generate mana at all.)

Re:All Hail King Pokémon by YeGoblynQueenne on Friday May 21, 2021 @01:36PM (#27237195)
You mean the noprops deck? Curious - I can't make head or tails of it. Can you explain its plan?
Re:All Hail King Pokémon by thaumasiotes on Sunday May 23, 2021 @03:51AM (#27253162)
I haven't played with or against the deck. So this is a purely theoretical discussion that is likely to miss something important. But here goes:

- The deck's plan is to attack for damage. It will do this by getting creatures onto the field without paying for them.

- There are 9 cards in the deck which require mana to play: the 4 Deathrite Shamans, the 4 Sticher's Suppliers, and the 1 Swords to Plowshares. The Shamans can produce mana and the Suppliers serve the important role of getting cards into the graveyard. But mostly, this deck seeks to avoid playing mana-producing lands, and therefore also won't play cards that cost mana.

- Bazaar of Baghdad is the center of the deck; every turn it will allow you to draw two cards (good!) and also discard three cards (great!)

- After that, it's just a matter of getting creatures into play. Basking Rootwalla can be played for free whenever you discard it. (Which you can do via the Bazaar.) Bloodghast will come out of your graveyard whenever you play a land. Hollow One can be played for free as long as you've discarded 3 cards. (Luckily, that's the exact amount of discarding provided by the Bazaar.) Hogaak can be played out of your graveyard as long as you have two creatures already in play. And Vengevine, which is probably most of the damage, will come out of your graveyard whenever you play a second creature in one turn. (You have to play them, so Bloodghast won't count, but Basking Rootwalla, Hollow One, and Hogaak all will. If you can play a Deathrite Shaman or a Stitcher's Supplier, those will count too, but this is not a necessary part of the plan.)

- Vengevine has haste, so whenever you do manage to get one out, it can attack immediately. It has been the core threat of various decks in the past.

- If you can get 3 Bloodghasts and 2 Hogaaks into your graveyard, you can recur all of your Vengevines just by playing a land. This deck has a tremendous capacity to bounce back from creature removal. (Graveyard removal will hurt more.)

Re:All Hail King Pokémon by YeGoblynQueenne on Sunday May 23, 2021 @04:53PM (#27258498)
Thanks! You know, now that you say it, it seems obvious especially given the Vengevine, but I tought Vintage was too fast for decks that win by attacking with creatures to compete, so I thought there was some hidden interaction I couldn't see.