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Re:Welcome to Libera Chat by jrochkind1 on Wednesday May 19, 2021 @01:01PM (#27211373)
And that is exactly what led to the current problem with freenode, right?

I mean, I am not disagreeing that the "old internet way" has it's perks. But it is also the lack of any formal organization or legal rights that let one person who had enough money/power to do so destroy freenode by claiming he owned it.

You want that not to happen again, you might want to do something different. And indeed the announcement acknowledges that, that's why there is "a non-profit association in Sweden, with all our staff holding equal stakes" in the first place. It would just be helpful for a bit more transparency around that too. I personally assume it will come, it's just an oversight (no pun intended).

Re:Welcome to Libera Chat by kodah on Wednesday May 19, 2021 @02:15PM (#27212335)
No. Freenode was purchased by an entrepreneur and former Mt Gox employee supposedly to facilitate a conference called "Freenode Live". It had nothing to do with use of real names.
Re:Welcome to Libera Chat by jrochkind1 on Wednesday May 19, 2021 @05:28PM (#27214698)
Somehow I think we're not having the same conversation. It's not that it had to do with use of real names on freenode. It's that it had to do with no formal legal structure for freenode (and a formal legal structure requires real names associated with it).

The person that "sold" freenode didn't clearly have the authority to do so. The community disagrees on what they actually "bought". But baring a formal legal structure... they got away with it.

The comment at the top of this thread was talking about how, if one wanted to try to reduce the chance of that sort of thing happening again before investing energy in this new thing, one would want to know more about the formal legal structure and who is behind it.

The "old internet" way is "We're just some people cooperating, we don't need a legal structure or even to know each other's real names." That has plusses and minuses. One of the minuses is when someone decides they have the authority to sell the whole thing to someone else for personal profit, even though all the people informally cooperating didn't agree to it, and it turns out it's hard to stop them.

Re:Welcome to Libera Chat by kodah on Thursday May 20, 2021 @10:25AM (#27221489)
Freenode was registered under Freenode Limited out of Britain, the head of staff was effectively the president. There was definitely legal structure, voting, etc... People knew Christel's name, the rest of the staffers knew each other's names, it's just not circulated outside of that circle.