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Re:Crypto crash deepens, stocks slip by marcusverus on Wednesday May 19, 2021 @12:17PM (#27210683)
> USDC, DAI, USDT are all used more than ever, orders of magnitude more

Even these cryptos aren't being used as currencies per se. They're popular, sure, but they're popular because A) they allow traders to move funds between crypto 'investments' without converting to fiat (i.e. without triggering cap gains), and B) They allow investors to "avoid market volatility" (but in a manner far riskier than fiat, given that even DAI or USDT could go to zero tomorrow).

...but they're still not currencies. Nobody is buying a hamburger with DAI.

Re:Crypto crash deepens, stocks slip by nostrademons on Wednesday May 19, 2021 @12:22PM (#27210773)
If the trader is being honest, converting cryptocurrencies to stablecoins is a taxable event triggering capital gains. The IRS considers any exchange of one cryptocurrency for another to be a sale of a capital asset and purchase of another.
Re:Crypto crash deepens, stocks slip by erosenbe0 on Wednesday May 19, 2021 @01:59PM (#27212115)
Yes. They are assets and you must pay tax every time you swap them or even use them to make a purchase. It's like making a purchase with Apple stock or swapping Apple stock for Google stock. Pay tax.
Re:Crypto crash deepens, stocks slip by sizzle on Thursday May 20, 2021 @04:05AM (#27218627)
How will the government track and get their dues?
Re:Crypto crash deepens, stocks slip by vmception on Thursday May 20, 2021 @06:05AM (#27219316)
Typically they use account information from the exchanges and follow that onchain

But they generally rely on individuals to report accurately. Obviously wage-earners arent used to that as their employers withhold money for taxes and report to the IRS so this crowd may find this new found freedom to be foreign and a chance to “get away with” something, but everyone else has lived in a world where they report their taxes voluntarily and accurately

Re:Crypto crash deepens, stocks slip by nikanj on Wednesday May 19, 2021 @12:24PM (#27210795)
I'd be very surprised if your tax agency agrees that moving via USDT does not trigger capital gains.

Then again, I'm operating under the impression most people cheat on their taxes w.r.t cryptos

Re:Crypto crash deepens, stocks slip by koonsolo on Wednesday May 19, 2021 @01:09PM (#27211466)
US only. It seems even Puerto Rico doesn't ask capital gains on crypto.
Re:Crypto crash deepens, stocks slip by waych on Wednesday May 19, 2021 @01:40PM (#27211857)
IRS considers cryptocurrency as property, and exchanging one for another is a taxable event.

See "Q16. Will I recognize a gain or loss if I exchange my virtual currency for other property?" [1]:

   A16.  Yes.  If you exchange virtual currency held as a capital asset for other property, including for goods or for another virtual currency, you will recognize a capital gain or loss.  For more information on capital gains and capital losses, see Publication 544, Sales and Other Dispositions of Assets.
[1]: https://www.irs.gov/individuals/international-taxpayers/freq...
Re:Crypto crash deepens, stocks slip by dgjnvhhb on Wednesday May 19, 2021 @09:03PM (#27216254)
Not if you move to Puerto Rico.
Re:Crypto crash deepens, stocks slip by prepend on Friday May 21, 2021 @08:30AM (#27233168)
I think that’s more a function of Puerto Rico not having federal taxes than anything about crypto (ie, no capital gains or income tax on anything, including crypto).
Re:Crypto crash deepens, stocks slip by tastyfreeze on Wednesday May 19, 2021 @01:55PM (#27212058)
Like-kind exchange doesn't apply to cryptocurrencies. Exchanging BTC for a stablecoin does trigger capital gains as does selling a stablecoin for fiat. In the BTC-USDC scenario it is a little trickier to calculate the basis in USD but capital gains taxes still apply.
Re:Crypto crash deepens, stocks slip by vmception on Wednesday May 19, 2021 @04:02PM (#27213749)
It isnt tricker at all. Very simple math.
Re:Crypto crash deepens, stocks slip by tastyfreeze on Wednesday May 19, 2021 @05:38PM (#27214816)
Yes, if you record the USD value of both sides at the time of trade. If you only record the execution price of your BTC/USDT trade you will need to later find the price of BTC/USD and USDT/USD at the time of execution.

Trickier in the sense that it requires more attention than simply recording the execution price and fees of a BTC/USD trade.

Re:Crypto crash deepens, stocks slip by vmception on Wednesday May 19, 2021 @08:07PM (#27215946)
Most charting and accounting services do this for any time period if you need to look it up, or do it automatically

Only more annoying when you have to use an AMM’s info site and the chart isnt very granular or go back far enough. Pancakeswap’s info site doesnt even work.

So yes best to keep track at that exact time of trade

Re:Crypto crash deepens, stocks slip by vmception on Wednesday May 19, 2021 @01:06PM (#27211445)
I’ve paid many people with stablecoins, even make in-kind investments (not like-kind)

You dont have a way of quantify if people are tax cheats (as what you described does not prevent capital gains liability), stores of value, or buying hamburgers