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Re:How corporations buy and food made with prison labor by eplanit on Wednesday May 19, 2021 @08:39AM (#27207730)
Are prisoners forced to work against their will for no compensation? I think not, and therefore "slavery" is hyperbole.

I used to work with mentally retarded people. They had a jobs program where they contracted with companies for small jobs that these folks could do. TI teamed up with the school, and together they set up a "workshop" where they would fold up power cords and tie with twists. The people were paid like a dollar per day... they worked a couple of hours per day. It was beneficial for all (TI indeed sold those cords with its products), and hardly slavery. It was hailed at time for all its good. That was not a prison, but it served a similar purpose. Not a single complaint of slavery or exploitation was ever raised... but this was in the 1980s.

Re:How corporations buy and food made with prison labor by danShumway on Wednesday May 19, 2021 @08:51AM (#27207843)
Were those people barred from multiple forms of unemployment after they graduated from your program? The "prison work preps people for normal life" argument is just absurd to me, I don't see any long-term training or rehabilitation benefits to making license plates.

If you want to talk about reintegrating prisoners into society, then clear prisoner's records after they leave prison and bar employers from asking about prior convictions. Otherwise, I don't buy that we're doing this out of concern for the prisoner.

Also, to be clear:

> Prisoners at Angola can be legally forced to work once cleared by a medical doctor, and most are required to perform field work, like harvesting soybeans and corn for at least 90 days upon arrival. For long hours in the hot sun, they earn as little as 4 cents per hour.

So yeah, that sounds a lot like slavery to me. What's hyperbolic about that?

4 cents an hour is not compensation. By your logic, the South wasn't practicing slavery either since plantation owners gave their slaves "free" room and board.

From the Appeal's coverage of the same prison (https://theappeal.org/louisiana-prisoners-demand-an-end-to-m...):

> Once cleared by a prison doctor, prisoners at Angola can be legally forced to work under threat of severe punishment, including solitary confinement. Even prisoners with physical impediments may still have to work. “Angola frequently fails to accommodate men with disabilities—often forcing them to work in dangerous factories or in the fields,” said Mercedes Montagnes, executive director of the Promise of Justice Initiative.

Re:How corporations buy and food made with prison labor by batch12 on Wednesday May 19, 2021 @09:04AM (#27208004)
Yes. This forced labor happens. Actually, this is the only form of slavery still allowed in the U.S. per the constitution.

Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

Re:How corporations buy and food made with prison labor by banannaise on Thursday May 20, 2021 @09:42AM (#27220991)
> Are prisoners forced to work against their will for no compensation?

The threat is that if you don't work, you receive more punishment, whether formal or informal: solitary confinement, abuse by guards, ineligibility for parole, etc. So yes, they are forced to work under duress. It's basically extortion.

Re:How corporations buy and food made with prison labor by jakelazaroff on Wednesday May 19, 2021 @09:37AM (#27208377)
FYI, “mentally r______d” is a slur. “Intellectually disabled” is more respectful.

Edit: why the downvotes? I'm pointing this out in good faith.

Re:How corporations buy and food made with prison labor by jMyles on Wednesday May 19, 2021 @11:25AM (#27210014)
Can you explain how “intellectually disabled” is less demeaning? It seems moreso.
Re:How corporations buy and food made with prison labor by jakelazaroff on Wednesday May 19, 2021 @11:47AM (#27210284)
I haven't looked into any reasons past the only one that actually matters, which is that people who actually have an intellectual disability prefer it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intellectual_disability#Termin...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/kidspost/why-you-sh...

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK64884/

Re:How corporations buy and food made with prison labor by jMyles on Wednesday May 19, 2021 @12:28PM (#27210856)
> which is that people who actually have an intellectual disability prefer it

I think it's reasonable to be skeptical of consensus on a group of people on the matter of what they like to be called. Consider, for example, the backlash on the term "Latinx" and, more recently, even among some of our Black neighbors over being included in BIPOC.

I'm not trying to get into a whole thing here, it just seems to me that "intellectually disabled", taken at literal value, is more disparaging (and more open to slur-ish interpretation) than "mentally retarded".

Your links don't appear to support your position. None of them say that the people in question prefer this appellation. The WaPo piece expressly prefers "people with intellectual disabilities" (with Eades emphasizing that the inclusion of the word 'people' first is that makes the phrase better), so presumably he'd have a similar objection to the term "intellectually disabled."

The NIH doc doesn't even include the phrase "intellectual disabled" but does suggest the phrase "mental retardation" (see term number 13), so I can't imagine why you've included it if your point is to suggest that the former is more humane than the latter per this source.

In any case, if indeed there is the kind of consensus you assert, I'm happy to oblige it. But I think it's reasonable to wonder whether that's so.

Re:How corporations buy and food made with prison labor by jakelazaroff on Wednesday May 19, 2021 @01:45PM (#27211927)
To be transparent, I looked up what the preferred term seemed to be because I didn't know offhand and I wanted to offer actionable advice. Most resources seem to recommend "person with intellectual disabilities" ("intellectually disabled" being the adjective form of that, although I could be mistaken). The NIH doc recommends “learning disability” specifically to be used in place of the r-word.

So yeah, I'm also happy to use a better term if you know of one. I’m not really trying to prove a point here, per se — I just know there is widespread consensus that the r-word is a slur and I’m trying to gently help us move past it :)

Re:How corporations buy and food made with prison labor by effingwewt on Wednesday May 19, 2021 @12:38PM (#27211027)
Retarded is not a slur, its descriptive. Stupid would be derogatory.

You see it as a slur, and that's fine, but why should people have to change a common lexicon over some random person's feelings.

Also, 'disability' is considered offensive now, didn't you mean 'differently abled'? See, where does it stop?