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Re:Ethereum will use around 99.95% less energy post merge by chrischattin on Tuesday May 18, 2021 @11:36AM (#27196102)
Youtube alone uses 2x’s the amount of energy of the Bitcoin network. Ban Youtube?
Re:Ethereum will use around 99.95% less energy post merge by 2muchcoffeeman on Tuesday May 18, 2021 @11:53AM (#27196354)
A quick google seems to turn up that this claim is from thefactsource.com based on the internet uses 10% of global power. And YouTube is 11% of internet traffic. So 1% of global power.

VS

An estimate of Bitcoin power consumption by the Cambridge Centre for Alternative Finance.

I know which one I’m more prepared to believe.

Even if this were true. I go on YouTube and can learn things: recipes, FreeCad tutorials, coffee nerdery, harmonica lessons.

Bitcoin literally does nothing.

Re:Ethereum will use around 99.95% less energy post merge by simonw on Tuesday May 18, 2021 @01:27PM (#27198054)
That article assumes that if YouTube is 11% of total internet bandwidth then YouTube is 11% of total internet electricity usage. That's a very dubious assumption.
Re:Ethereum will use around 99.95% less energy post merge by webXL on Tuesday May 18, 2021 @01:46PM (#27198340)
> Bitcoin literally does nothing.

Except make those little pieces of green paper in your wallet look foolish.

Re:Ethereum will use around 99.95% less energy post merge by Spooky23 on Tuesday May 18, 2021 @11:57AM (#27196444)
Remember the infrastructure is one part of the equation. The billions of devices consuming YouTube are running in electricity as well.

The virtue of energy use argument is just dumb.

Re:Ethereum will use around 99.95% less energy post merge by kickopotomus on Tuesday May 18, 2021 @12:34PM (#27197171)
But again, read what the person you are responding to wrote. YouTube provides something of value to millions. PoW is not required for cryptocurrency to function. PoW provides no value. It wastes time and energy for the sake of wasting processor cycles.
Re:Ethereum will use around 99.95% less energy post merge by Spooky23 on Tuesday May 18, 2021 @04:14PM (#27200406)
Says you.

Electricity is a commodity and a utility. Who are you or I to subjectively decide that a use is valuable or virtuous?

Is YouPorn worthy? Is MLB.tv valuable? What are the criteria that you use to determine worth?

Re:Ethereum will use around 99.95% less energy post merge by kickopotomus on Wednesday May 19, 2021 @12:00PM (#27210451)
There is no subjectivity here. We are not discussing the perceived value of cryptocurrency. We are talking about the value of the PoW algorithm. It is objectively wasteful. It is wasteful by definition. It's entire purpose is to force computational resources to spend cycles on computationally expensive problems that provide no value to society. It is an interesting an novel idea but it does not scale and that is a problem since there is a very real cost to society in expending significant amounts of the planet's resources for no gain.
Re:Ethereum will use around 99.95% less energy post merge by 2muchcoffeeman on Tuesday May 18, 2021 @05:50PM (#27201700)
Is YouPorn worthy? Is MLB.tv valuable?

Yes because people like porn and baseball.

Bitcoin is like gold. It’s valuable because other people say it’s valuable. But nothing useful happens when you mine crypto. Was I entertained? Did I learn something? Are they producing a widget? Even gold can be made into jewellery or used in electronics. Crypto literally just uses power.

Re:Ethereum will use around 99.95% less energy post merge by swensel on Tuesday May 18, 2021 @12:56PM (#27197554)
Come on... PoW provides no value? So the almost $1 trillion in Bitcoin is just, nothing? Not worth anything? I think the people invested would beg to differ.
Re:Ethereum will use around 99.95% less energy post merge by kickopotomus on Tuesday May 18, 2021 @01:02PM (#27197649)
There is no need for Bitcoin to use PoW. Bitcoin can continue to exist using a different algorithm to establish distributed trust. But since you brought up Bitcoin, yes, I would say that it provides little value to society in it's current state. It operates primarily as a speculative investment rather than a true currency.
Re:Ethereum will use around 99.95% less energy post merge by swensel on Tuesday May 18, 2021 @01:10PM (#27197771)
What would you propose the Bitcoin core team should switch to? Have you looked into the other algorithms, the feasibility of migrating of the existing network, etc.? It sounds more to me like you've just written off cryptocurrency in general.

As far as I can tell PoW is the most proven consensus mechanism so far. PoS may be promising though. ETH2 successfully switching will be telling.

Re:Ethereum will use around 99.95% less energy post merge by kickopotomus on Tuesday May 18, 2021 @01:26PM (#27198041)
I haven't written off anything. PoW is inherently flawed. It does not scale and Bitcoin has proven that. Bitcoin averages ~300K transactions a day while using more energy than some countries. That is unacceptable.
Re:Ethereum will use around 99.95% less energy post merge by generj on Tuesday May 18, 2021 @11:59AM (#27196473)
YouTube also entertains hundreds of millions of people, whereas crypto benefits the average person…how exactly?

By enabling ransom ware attacks? Creating GPU shortages?

Re:Ethereum will use around 99.95% less energy post merge by jude- on Tuesday May 18, 2021 @01:33PM (#27198169)
YouTube also promotes conspiracy theories, racism, anti-intellectualism, authoritarianism, anti-vaxxing, and so on. These things pretty severe negative externalities, to put it mildly. So let's not pretend that YouTube's existence is a net-positive for humanity; that remains to be seen.
Re:Ethereum will use around 99.95% less energy post merge by hunter2_ on Tuesday May 18, 2021 @11:46AM (#27196243)
I think the difference is that a means of building green buildings and green cryptocurrencies have been proven viable. Once the same happens for the category of product YouTube falls into (which goes beyond just video distribution), the non-green way can be eliminated.
Re:Ethereum will use around 99.95% less energy post merge by lovecg on Tuesday May 18, 2021 @11:58AM (#27196454)
Google is claiming to be Carbon neutral though, so not a good comparison.

https://sustainability.google/commitments/

Re:Ethereum will use around 99.95% less energy post merge by schmorptron on Tuesday May 18, 2021 @12:41PM (#27197297)
No? Youtube's use of compute power serves a purpose that is not quite literally wasting energy for the sake of it.
Re:Ethereum will use around 99.95% less energy post merge by simonw on Tuesday May 18, 2021 @11:43AM (#27196191)
No it doesn't.
Re:Ethereum will use around 99.95% less energy post merge by chrischattin on Tuesday May 18, 2021 @11:47AM (#27196256)
Yeah, it does. I posted sources in a reply to another comment. Or, you can look it up yourself.
Re:Ethereum will use around 99.95% less energy post merge by simonw on Tuesday May 18, 2021 @01:03PM (#27197670)
You quoted https://thefactsource.com/how-much-electricity-does-youtube-... which says:

"the internet uses 10% of the total electricity consumption worldwide. How much of that is consumed by Youtube? After Netflix and embedded videos, Youtube is the third biggest global internet bandwidth eater. About 11.4% of global internet traffic is consumed by Youtube"

That figure assumes that the electricity usage of the internet is exactly related to the amount of bandwidth - so if YouTube uses 11.4% of the internet's total bandwidth, that means that YouTube uses 11.4% of the internet's total electricity consumption.

That is a highly dubious assumption.

Re:Ethereum will use around 99.95% less energy post merge by leesalminen on Tuesday May 18, 2021 @11:42AM (#27196174)
I mean, all YouTube does is generate money for the ad-tech industry. I think it should be banned before PoW cryptos.
Re:Ethereum will use around 99.95% less energy post merge by scrollaway on Tuesday May 18, 2021 @11:51AM (#27196325)
No that isn't all YouTube does thank you very much. It's one of the greatest treasure troves of educational video content. It has helped my life, career, and those of my friends. It has probably contributed far more to humanity's advance, in efficiency alone, than most other websites of its kind.

That you only use it to watch videos that bring zero gain to your life is a You problem.