I only suggested you take five minutes a day over the course of a week to try it to give you something real and objective to consider for less effort than you've already put into this thread. The breathing technique is all over the web and YouTube for free.

Also, this way of breathing isn't something you do continuously. It's just an exercise you do when you want to realize the benefits. Maybe a couple times a day if you are keen.

The guy climbs mountains in just his underwear and shorts, can ward off a cold using his mind and this way of breathing, held the world records for distance under ice and sitting submerged in a tub of ice water. He teaches others to do these things very quickly. Women want him and men want to be him. I'm still not being fanatical ok? This guy is the real deal.

> The guy climbs mountains in just his underwear and shorts, can ward off a cold using his mind and this way of breathing, held the world records for distance under ice and sitting submerged in a tub of ice water. He teaches others to do these things very quickly. Women want him and men want to be him. I'm still not being fanatical ok? This guy is the real deal.

This sounds really fanatical, especially when you say you want to give someone something "real and objective". Real and objective is more than personal experiences and a case study of 1. We need diverse, well-considered studies in a controlled setting.

Look, if you can do twenty pushups max then that is a hard fact that won't change much over a week.

Now if through a breathing exercise you can go and pump out 34 that would be extraordinary and something impressive. I'm telling you that this kind of gain is actually possible for you right now if you try it. Go ahead, give it a try and report back.

> We need diverse, well-considered studies in a controlled setting.

well sure, for vaccine trials maybe. the parent's suggestion is more along the lines of, "give it a try, what could it hurt?"

> give it a try, what could it hurt

The same can and has been said for essential oils, fat-only diets, and homeopathic dilutes.

"What can it hurt" is a terrible justification, especially in the field of psychiatric disorders.

"What can it hurt?" Alot.

Ok, I'll bite, what CAN it hurt?

Seriously, I didn't make a comment about essential oils, fat-only diets or homeopathic dilutes. While you are correct that the same CAN be said for these, you should note that the same WAS NOT SAID BY ME.

I posted regarding spending 5 minutes a day on breathing excersises.

I posted similar. And the only thing I'd caution is don't do the breathing exercise while driving or near water. There's a rare potential to faint if you do it wrong.

And nobody is suggesting to replace existing approaches for ADHD with breathing exercises. It's just another tool to consider and try for focus or physical exertion.

The funny thing is there's lots of credible science with Wim Hof if you care to Google. But what's the point when it's so accessible, harmless and easy to just validate a claim for yourself?

He learned a few things and developed some of the mildest "magic powers". That's nice, but let's not go overboard. He's basically another foolish Westerner importing and repackaging the least interesting parts of an ancient and potent body of knowledge.

In re: "magic powers": The word is "siddhi".

> Siddhis (Sanskrit: सिद्धि siddhi; fulfillment, accomplishment) are material, paranormal, supernatural, or otherwise magical powers, abilities, and attainments that are the products of yogic advancement through sādhanās such as meditation and yoga.[1] The term ṛddhi (Pali: iddhi, "psychic powers") is often used interchangeably in Buddhism.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siddhi

The only important thing to know about these magic powers is that they are a distraction.

Nobody is claiming he's special or that he invented this, especially him.

And yeah these benefits may in fact be a side effect and not central to the whole spiritual journey you could go on but that doesn't resonate a lot in the West and probably closes the door to a lot of us if that's how it is first framed.

Going at it this way personally worked as an intro and has made me more receptive to the bigger picture you allude to which is a place I never would have got to without Wim Hof first convincing me to try.

Fair enough. Well met.

I know how it is when you find something that works for you and you really want to share it.

FWIW, I see the popularization of these things as a net positive.

Your dismissal and snark on the parent is unwarranted. There is quality scientifical evidence that supports there is something to what Hof is doing. A quick google will show that.