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Re:Time to Close the Security Theater by bruce511 on Friday July 01, 2011 @07:06AM (#2717805)
The power to end the TSA lies with the public. The responsibility to end the TSA lies with the public. The public need to make enough fuss, so the media reports the fuss, so that more public become aware of the issue.

The key points to identify;

a) The TSA does not make flying safe. The FAA makes flying safe. The TSA allegedly keeps bombs off planes but going by their press releases they've never actually done this. It's always some kid with a pen-knife.

b) For years Customs have been attempting the opposite goal, detecting stuff coming off planes. They have a good success rate, but clearly plenty of stuff gets through. Is there any evidence that the TSA has a better success rate?

c) It's not hard to get forbidden items onto a plane. It just isn't. All the TSA does is make it harder to do it via the main entrance hall. Given the amount of merchandise, and number of people who work on the "other side" of the security barrier, does anyone think it's hard? For example it's easy to take liquids on a plane, just buy them in the departure hall. [edit - It's also not hard to get a job as a TSA agent. Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?]

d) Given that the TSA doesn't make us any _safer_, it's hard to find a reason for it to exist. But large govt. departments do not go softly into the night.

It takes sustained, broad-based pressure to make this sufficiently important for politicians to get involved. Until that happens _nothing_ will change. No, I lie, until that happens the TSA will spend more money, and intrude on our lives more, but won't actually provide any benefit.

Re:Time to Close the Security Theater by white_devil on Friday July 01, 2011 @09:43AM (#2718270)
The power to end the TSA lies with the public. The responsibility to end the TSA lies with the public. The public need to make enough fuss, so the media reports the fuss, so that more public become aware of the issue.

Really? Just like the power and responsibility to prevent Greece from imposing further utterly useless austerity measures on its citizens lies with the Greek public? The riot police would beg to differ.

If the public anywhere was actually properly informed and asked to make a decision on any of the insanity going on all around the world, then yes, you could make that claim. But as long as we have no say in anything, you're just spewing out seemingly righteous but empty rhetoric.

Re:Time to Close the Security Theater by bh42222 on Friday July 01, 2011 @10:44AM (#2718506)
Just like the power and responsibility to prevent Greece from imposing further utterly useless austerity measures on its citizens lies with the Greek public? The riot police would beg to differ.

Oh come on, Greece is not North Korea.

Do you really think the Greek government could push anything through if more then two thirds of the population was violently against it?

Yes, the clashes with police look spectacular but what percentage of the electorate is out on the streets?

Re:Time to Close the Security Theater by white_devil on Friday July 01, 2011 @05:14PM (#2720176)
Oh come on, Greece is not North Korea.

There's a difference in their respective levels of totalitarianism, yes. But Greece, just like any other country, can turn it up a notch when "necessary".

Re:Time to Close the Security Theater by smhinsey on Friday July 01, 2011 @07:52AM (#2717906)
'Who watches the watchers?' is indeed a good question with the TSA. It's not clear based on their behavior that anyone is doing much watching over there, unless you count watching out for #1.
Re:Time to Close the Security Theater by vaksel on Friday July 01, 2011 @09:28AM (#2718215)
no the power lies with the politicians...it's just too small of an issue for the general public to make it a deciding voting issue. Most people travel once a year(if that) so they don't really care about it
Re:Time to Close the Security Theater by brown9-2 on Friday July 01, 2011 @09:34AM (#2718240)
Who elects the politicans? bruce's point is that if the public cared enough, the public could end it.
Re:Time to Close the Security Theater by widget on Friday July 01, 2011 @10:20AM (#2718428)
Sadly, I don't think there's any way to make the public really care about this. For one thing, it's a sufficiently rare pain in the ass that virtually no one worries about what the latest nonsense from the TSA is on a day to day basis.

I also suspect many people actually do believe it makes us safer. Many others probably don't care one way or another, but if a politician were to seriously attempt to end the TSA, they would be branded as soft on terror so fast their head would spin.

Re:Time to Close the Security Theater by king_jester on Friday July 01, 2011 @10:10AM (#2718381)
This is true, but the current electoral system in the US isn't very responsive to public input. First past the post voting systems will tend to two parties, which makes voter opinion less effective since election winners will not have to form a multi-party coalition. This means that politicians and lobbyists can use wedge issues to divide voter attention and reduce the effectiveness of voter choice.
Re:Time to Close the Security Theater by suking on Friday July 01, 2011 @10:03AM (#2718358)
Corporations elect them, duh.