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Re:There have been 7M-13M excess deaths worldwide during the... by codelord on Sunday May 16, 2021 @07:07PM (#27178035)
This is from earlier: https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/excess-mortality-across-countr... Interestingly Sweden that got famous for defying lockdowns saw an uptick of 1.5% excess mortality per 100K people compared to 12.9% for the US that was relatively more locked down. I'm not sure what to make of it, but it sure is an interesting data point.
Re:There have been 7M-13M excess deaths worldwide during the... by dragonwriter on Sunday May 16, 2021 @07:21PM (#27178179)
> the US that was mostly locked

the US was not mostly locked down, and indeed made noncompliance with safety measures a major partisan identity issue for the faction controlling the federal executive, the upper federal legislative house, most state governments, and much of law enforcement even in the other states. It mostly had modest, inconsistent, uncoordinated, and largely unenforced restrictions. A few jurisdictions did at least nominal lockdowns for fairly brief periods (California did twice, though virtually every county sheriff had publicly announced that they either would not enforce orders at all or would do so only by education around compliance by the time of the second one near the end of 2020.)

Re:There have been 7M-13M excess deaths worldwide during the... by codelord on Sunday May 16, 2021 @07:31PM (#27178259)
Fixed mostly to relatively. That wasn't my main point really. I thought the data points were interesting.
Re:There have been 7M-13M excess deaths worldwide during the... by jussij on Sunday May 16, 2021 @07:37PM (#27178315)
Sweden's early success with their 'herd immunity' experiment was short lived.

They failed to actually achieve 'herd immunity' and did not avoid the eventual virus death toll:

https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/global/sweden-cris...

By comparison Finland, it's neighbor took a much stricter approach and never reached the same level of death.

Finland: 931 deaths at 168 per million with a 1.0% death rate.

https://epidemic-stats.com/coronavirus/finland

Sweden: 14275 deaths at 1406 per million with a 1.4% death rate.

https://epidemic-stats.com/coronavirus/sweden

Re:There have been 7M-13M excess deaths worldwide during the... by sethammons on Sunday May 16, 2021 @10:39PM (#27179564)
Can we then talk about the economic disruption felt by each respectively compared to the 0.4% difference in death rate? I don’t have insights into either county.
Re:There have been 7M-13M excess deaths worldwide during the... by jussij on Monday May 17, 2021 @01:02AM (#27180218)
Here are the Gross Domestic Product (GDP) figures for these two countries:

Sweden: https://tradingeconomics.com/sweden/gdp-growth-annual

Finland: https://tradingeconomics.com/finland/gdp-growth-annual

Looking at those charts they show very similar economic outcomes for the two countries.

Of the last 4 COVID effected quarters Finland won two and Sweden won two.

And Sweden actually felt the highest quarterly contraction at -7.7% compare to the -6.1% for Finland.

Re:There have been 7M-13M excess deaths worldwide during the... by jussij on Monday May 17, 2021 @01:23AM (#27180300)
That 0.4% difference in death rate is measuring survivability as it records the chance of dying from the virus.

That 0.4% difference suggests Finland's health system was better than Sweden's at handling the virus, as your chances of dying were much less.

When it comes to actual deaths Finland was doing over 830% better (i.e. 168 per million compared to 1406 per million) than Sweden.

Edit: Fixed my bad math. My 90% better figure was out by a factor close to 100.

Re:There have been 7M-13M excess deaths worldwide during the... by raphaelj on Monday May 17, 2021 @03:55AM (#27181007)
The more cases you have, the more overwhelm your testing system is. The difference in death rate is most probably due to the fact that Finland was testing more positive cases (relatively) to Sweden.
Re:There have been 7M-13M excess deaths worldwide during the... by me_me_me on Monday May 17, 2021 @06:17AM (#27181873)
Note it death rate of infected, if you have less infected the death rate should be unaffected as long as you have enough resources to treat everyone equally well.
Re:There have been 7M-13M excess deaths worldwide during the... by MagnumOpus on Monday May 17, 2021 @06:16AM (#27181860)
That data is either wrong or severely outdated. The Economist website [1] has Sweden's excess deaths per 100k at 102 (not 13). While better than the US -- which was also not really locked down as other commenters state -- it is 5x worse than neighboring Finland, and infinitely worse than neighboring Norway and Denmark (which had negative excess deaths during the pandemic).

[1] https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/coronavirus-excess-...

Re:There have been 7M-13M excess deaths worldwide during the... by aaronblohowiak on Sunday May 16, 2021 @07:09PM (#27178056)
I would not typify the US as "mostly locked down"
Re:There have been 7M-13M excess deaths worldwide during the... by scrollaway on Sunday May 16, 2021 @07:12PM (#27178081)
Indeed, and Sweden also had the benefit of the lockdowns in the rest of Europe. I don't think you can compare Sweden to the entirety of the US. A single state maybe.
Re:There have been 7M-13M excess deaths worldwide during the... by jmahyoung on Sunday May 16, 2021 @07:23PM (#27178195)
Would you typify the US as more Locked Down than Sweden? Because their numbers are better. If their approach was worse why are their numbers not worse?
Re:There have been 7M-13M excess deaths worldwide during the... by nicoburns on Sunday May 16, 2021 @07:33PM (#27178276)
I've heard it suggested that there was a lot of voluntary distancing and othet measures taken in sweden. It wouldn't suprise me if there was more actual distancing in "not locked down" sweden than in "locked down" US. But perhaps the protests etc I've seen on TV wetrre exagerated?
Re:There have been 7M-13M excess deaths worldwide during the... by raydev on Sunday May 16, 2021 @09:10PM (#27178990)
Fewer travellers in and out of Sweden.
Re:There have been 7M-13M excess deaths worldwide during the... by AptExtrapolatio on Sunday May 16, 2021 @07:18PM (#27178141)
Simple. US has obesity as a significant comorbidity factor.