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Re:TSMC looks to double down on U.S. chip factories as talks... by Slartie on Saturday May 15, 2021 @05:46AM (#27163811)
The machines from ASML are just tools (very precise and high-tech tools, but still tools) for one step in the semiconductor fabbing process. They don't come with a manual describing the entire process, but are more like a software library: useless without a lot of infrastructure and process know-how and other tooling around them.

That's why TSMC still has a significant process advantage to other manufacturers, even though all of them are customers of ASML and able to afford the most advanced EUV lithography scanners.

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Re:TSMC looks to double down on U.S. chip factories as talks... by supergirl on Saturday May 15, 2021 @07:03AM (#27164167)
if they are "just tools", why doesn't TSMC just build them themselves?

I'm not hearing any major challenges here that couldn't be overcome in the EU, considering the EU is capable of building some of the machines which are state of the art. yeah, you need capital and workforce and a bunch of other things. those aren't really blockers though. I think maybe there is no point, since it would cost more than TSMC, so better just buy the chips. at least until now, when there is a chip shortage and you regret not having a foundry. by the same logic there is no point to manufacture a lot of things in EU (or US) because it's cheaper to get them from China.

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Re:TSMC looks to double down on U.S. chip factories as talks... by ericmay on Saturday May 15, 2021 @09:19AM (#27164940)
> if they are "just tools", why doesn't TSMC just build them themselves?

If TSMC isn’t doing anything special why doesn’t the EU just build fabs then?

> I'm not hearing any major challenges here that couldn't be overcome in the EU, considering the EU is capable of building some of the machines which are state of the art.

So why don’t they do it?

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Re:TSMC looks to double down on U.S. chip factories as talks... by imtringued on Saturday May 15, 2021 @08:31AM (#27164613)
Why would you do something like that if you don't need to?

The fact that someone is willing to build these machines for you is a good thing.

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