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Re:Tesla Autopilot system was on during fatal California cra... by toast0 on Friday May 14, 2021 @10:03PM (#27161621)
> Stories like this drive home the point: you can’t train your machine learning for every eventuality.

Overturned truck or stationary emergency vehicle should be pretty high on the list; trees maybe a bit lower. But the sensor package doesn't do those well, so in the interest of comfort, stationary objects are filtered out before avoidance algorithms are run.

Re:Tesla Autopilot system was on during fatal California cra... by dragonwriter on Friday May 14, 2021 @11:17PM (#27162006)
> so in the interest of comfort, stationary objects are filtered out before avoidance algorithms are run.

Running into stationary objects has a pretty adverse effect on comfort.

Re:Tesla Autopilot system was on during fatal California cra... by toast0 on Saturday May 15, 2021 @12:02AM (#27162241)
So does stopping for stationary objects like metal plates on the road or overhead signs.
Re:Tesla Autopilot system was on during fatal California cra... by dragonwriter on Saturday May 15, 2021 @01:35AM (#27162707)
So, your argument is that no matter what choices were made about tuning, Autopilot isn't ready for real use?
Re:Tesla Autopilot system was on during fatal California cra... by toast0 on Saturday May 15, 2021 @02:00AM (#27162815)
Given the choices that were made, I don't think it can do the job it's marketed as doing, and I don't think I could safely and reliably supervise a car that's expected to partially drive itself.

I much prefer to drive a vehicle where I'm clearly responsible, but the (on by default) assistance features might help me out from time to time if I screw up. A computer doesn't get bored of checking if there's a slowing vehicle or (if it checks for them) stationary object in the path; but I'm pretty sure I wouldn't stay alert enough to jump in. OTOH, I also don't like using cruise control either, but that's not because I want to stay alert, but because without radar cruise control it's too much work to use, and I don't like the following distance options for the radar cruise control I have access to.

Re:Tesla Autopilot system was on during fatal California cra... by richardw on Friday May 14, 2021 @10:56PM (#27161898)
There are a lot more trees than overturned trucks.

Not having sensors that see trees without reducing comfort is a choice.

If the car can’t drive safely in a situation, it needs to require a driver.