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Re:DarkSide ransomware gang quits after servers, Bitcoin sta... by aazaa on Friday May 14, 2021 @01:18PM (#27156884)
> The crime gang announced it was closing up shop after its servers were seized and someone drained the cryptocurrency from an account the group uses to pay affiliates.

If so, this is either:

1. one heckuva Mickey Mouse operation

2. a smokescreen

The statement never mentions Bitcoin, but let's assume that this is the "cryptocurrency" being referred to.

That Bitcoin private keys were being stored on a "server" strains credulity. There's very little reason to do so, and every reason not to.

Payments can be received and orders fulfilled by a server - without private keys. Multiple addresses can be watched in read-only mode.

The only reason for a server to hold private keys is if that server is capable of making automated payments, and that capability is a crucial part of the operation.

Bitcoin's history is littered with the corpses of people who messed up the management of their own cryptographic keys. Any reasonably competent operator would know about them and would never, under any circumstances hold private keys on a server.

Which leaves Option 2. Smokescreen. Make it look like all the loot was lost, try to throw investigators off the trail.

If so, it's a lame attempt.

One other possibility comes to mind. The ransom itself was the smokescreen.

The amount of the ransom was nothing for a company the size of Colonial. And it's about 1/10 of the annual salary of some developers. Why risk the prospect of life in prison for such as small payoff?

The reason is, of course, to make this operation look like something it's not. A Mickey Mouse band of idiots who can't manage their own private keys or servers. Lots of reasons to do this, starting with the notion that the attackers are trying to conceal their identities. And maybe that this was a test operation. Throw in the trinkets of ransom to make it look believable to the public.

Re:DarkSide ransomware gang quits after servers, Bitcoin sta... by KZZ on Friday May 14, 2021 @01:44PM (#27157306)
$5 million is 1/10 the annual salary of some developers?
Re:DarkSide ransomware gang quits after servers, Bitcoin sta... by CobsterLock on Friday May 14, 2021 @01:59PM (#27157501)
I could see 10 developers costing that much
Re:DarkSide ransomware gang quits after servers, Bitcoin sta... by kube-system on Friday May 14, 2021 @02:08PM (#27157636)
$500,000 salary? Let me know where these jobs are because I'd like to submit my resume.
Re:DarkSide ransomware gang quits after servers, Bitcoin sta... by jandrese on Friday May 14, 2021 @02:52PM (#27158275)
More like a $250,000 salary + benefits. Medical coverage is hideously expensive for example. Plus retirement, dental, insurance, and taxes. Still a cushy salary for a dev, but not completely out of the realm of reason.
Re:DarkSide ransomware gang quits after servers, Bitcoin sta... by simias on Friday May 14, 2021 @05:13PM (#27159784)
That's definitely a high salary except for the biggest companies in the richest parts of the richest countries.

I do thin the parent's point still stands though, my current salary is not nearly that high but you'd have to pay me a lot more than $500k for me to risk hacking an American pipeline. That's an insane amount of risk for a few years worth of salary (that I'll probably have to be very careful laundering if I don't want to raise suspicions).

Re:DarkSide ransomware gang quits after servers, Bitcoin sta... by dannyw on Saturday May 15, 2021 @01:19AM (#27162636)
What if you were in Russia and unemployed?
Re:DarkSide ransomware gang quits after servers, Bitcoin sta... by Can_Not on Saturday May 15, 2021 @11:18PM (#27170915)
That's incentive for someone living in silicon valley to not do it, but outside of the hubs most of the United States has miniscule demand for tech workers (using that term very loosely), and the majority of the world would average out to something like "30k, but the job only exists if you live in the capital".
Re:DarkSide ransomware gang quits after servers, Bitcoin sta... by eganist on Friday May 14, 2021 @02:16PM (#27157767)
Senior/Staff developers/architects etc at FAANGs can command as much or more. It's a routine topic of conversation on hn. Netflix specifically is known for paying much more of it as cash than the others.

https://www.levels.fyi/?compare=Amazon,Apple,Netflix,Google,...

Re:DarkSide ransomware gang quits after servers, Bitcoin sta... by jorblumesea on Friday May 14, 2021 @03:29PM (#27158708)
For experienced seniors and principal/staff engineers, this is pretty close if not below market rate. But presumably most of these engineers are globally distributed and 500k for eastern Europe is an immense sum.
Re:DarkSide ransomware gang quits after servers, Bitcoin sta... by smabie on Friday May 14, 2021 @06:21PM (#27160303)
A 500k isn't all that unusual in tech I feel like..

Like a senior engineer at a FANG is probably making that much or more all in.

Entry level salary for tier one firms across finance and tech is probably around 250-300k. Not hard to get to 500k with some experience.

Re:DarkSide ransomware gang quits after servers, Bitcoin sta... by kube-system on Friday May 14, 2021 @06:38PM (#27160418)
It is very, very unusual. Unusual even in California: https://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes151256.htm
Re:DarkSide ransomware gang quits after servers, Bitcoin sta... by PragmaticPulp on Friday May 14, 2021 @08:45PM (#27161195)
> A 500k isn't all that unusual in tech I feel like..

> Like a senior engineer at a FANG

Becoming a Senior Engineer at FAANG is very unusual, across all tech workers.

It's doable with the right amount of work, dedication, and willingness to relocate to the right locations, of course. But it's nowhere near guaranteed or common.

Re:DarkSide ransomware gang quits after servers, Bitcoin sta... by dannyw on Saturday May 15, 2021 @01:18AM (#27162630)
It's not common but all of these aspects are within your control. Luck is surely involved too, but it's not like FAANG uses random() to pick senior engineers.

If you get your foot in the door into FAANG and work very hard, you have a decent shot. If you don't want to relocate, that's your problem. There are trade off's in life. If you can't relocate, that's unfortunate.

Re:DarkSide ransomware gang quits after servers, Bitcoin sta... by PragmaticPulp on Saturday May 15, 2021 @05:54PM (#27169366)
> If you don't want to relocate, that's your problem.

It's not a problem, it's a choice.

HN some times acts like FAANG is the only acceptable goal for a software engineer, and that all other choices are somehow wrong or inferior. We really need to get past this idea that there's only, single correct decision.

Re:DarkSide ransomware gang quits after servers, Bitcoin sta... by vmception on Friday May 14, 2021 @01:21PM (#27156946)
Ironically, it plays off of ignorance in either option.

The DOJ could bolster credibility of itself to the ignorant by saying “thats right criminals you cant hide” even if the DOJ never got anything.