Re:The IRS Is Coming for Crypto Investors Who Haven’t Paid T...
by rawtxapp on Friday May 14, 2021 @10:00AM
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Sure, but you can borrow 730k and still hold on to the asset, why not do it?
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Re:The IRS Is Coming for Crypto Investors Who Haven’t Paid T...
by TuringNYC on Friday May 14, 2021 @10:03AM
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Because if your coins go down to $100k, you're going to get margin called on your borrow. Given the volatility of crypto, you wouldnt want to borrow more than 10% of your funds.
Re:The IRS Is Coming for Crypto Investors Who Haven’t Paid T...
by rawtxapp on Friday May 14, 2021 @10:10AM
(#27154516)
Yes, you have to be carefully not to get margin-called, from what I've seen most people that have over 10M+$, tend to borrow up to 25-30% of their collateral's value (for example[1], this person borrowed 82M$ using 228M$ worth of collateral).
Re:The IRS Is Coming for Crypto Investors Who Haven’t Paid T...
by user-the-name on Friday May 14, 2021 @10:17AM
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There is no way to be "careful not to get margin-called", since crypto markets are heavily manipulated in order to force margin calls. Trading on margin on crypto markets is a fool's game.
Re:The IRS Is Coming for Crypto Investors Who Haven’t Paid T...
by devoutsalsa on Friday May 14, 2021 @11:04AM
(#27155042)
You're making me think that maybe I shouldn't have sold puts on DOGE, levered myself up 20x, and wait for it to go to the moon. There's no way I can lose!
Re:The IRS Is Coming for Crypto Investors Who Haven’t Paid T...
by rawtxapp on Friday May 14, 2021 @10:29AM
(#27154712)
Notice that borrowing != trading on margin, you can certainly buy back into the asset, but you can also do lots of other things with the money. You can be careful with your borrowing, like the example I gave, in that case, Bitcoin would need to drop by 50% before that person get's liquidated and even if that happens, they still have the 82M$ in cash.
Re:The IRS Is Coming for Crypto Investors Who Haven’t Paid T...
by TuringNYC on Friday May 14, 2021 @01:48PM
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>> You can be careful with your borrowing, like the example I gave, in that case, Bitcoin would need to drop by 50% before that person get's liquidated and even if that happens, they still have the 82M$ in cash.
Not quite...now you still owe capital gains tax on the forced liquidation price (minus cost basis)! So perhaps a large part of your $82M draw goes into taxes.
Re:The IRS Is Coming for Crypto Investors Who Haven’t Paid T...
by babyshake on Friday May 14, 2021 @03:43PM
(#27158886)
At least in a bull market, it seems safe to assume that an asset like BTC or ETH will not suddenly decrease by over 50%.
Re:The IRS Is Coming for Crypto Investors Who Haven’t Paid T...
by user-the-name on Friday May 14, 2021 @04:02PM
(#27159072)
It is definitely not safe to assume anything in the incredibly corrupt and manipulated cryptocurrency markets.
Re:The IRS Is Coming for Crypto Investors Who Haven’t Paid T...
by ashtonkem on Friday May 14, 2021 @10:06AM
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Because you might lose that 730K, since you’re still exposed to a very volatile market.
Re:The IRS Is Coming for Crypto Investors Who Haven’t Paid T...
by rawtxapp on Friday May 14, 2021 @10:08AM
(#27154495)
The 730k is already in bank account, you'd only lose the collateral in case of liquidation, but that doesn't matter because your alternative was to sell it altogether.
Re:The IRS Is Coming for Crypto Investors Who Haven’t Paid T...
by zepto on Friday May 14, 2021 @10:29AM
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You can’t use the 730k then but you are now accruing interest on it, so what’s the point in having it?
Re:The IRS Is Coming for Crypto Investors Who Haven’t Paid T...
by dkarras on Friday May 14, 2021 @11:29AM
(#27155301)
So I have 730k in bank account, but instead of using it, I borrow 730k and spend that money (how do you even decide "which" money you are spending anyways, it's all money) and pay interest on the loan? Why would I do that?
Re:The IRS Is Coming for Crypto Investors Who Haven’t Paid T...
by rawtxapp on Friday May 14, 2021 @11:46AM
(#27155491)
Not sure I understand what you mean, you only have 1 730k which you've borrowed. Interest rates are a drop in the bucket (~4%) compared to ~25-40% tax rates and that's ignoring asset appreciation (BTC averages ~300% YoY). If you use something like makerdao, you won't even have to pay a single cent of the debt back as long as you borrow conservatively and don't need your collateral back.
Re:The IRS Is Coming for Crypto Investors Who Haven’t Paid T...
by pinkfairy10 on Saturday May 15, 2021 @09:54AM
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This assumes BTC goes up every year tho
Re:The IRS Is Coming for Crypto Investors Who Haven’t Paid T...
by pinkfairy10 on Saturday May 15, 2021 @09:49AM
(#27165211)
Because there will be an annual interest rate to borrow and there is always margin call risk given the vol of crypto