Re:Cloudflare’s CAPTCHA replacement with FIDO2/WebAuthn is a...
by jgrahamc on Friday May 14, 2021 @09:10AM
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Be a good netizen? Respect robots.txt. Don't lie in your User-Agent. Don't crawl at a ridiculous rate. All those are a good starting point.
Re:Cloudflare’s CAPTCHA replacement with FIDO2/WebAuthn is a...
by oefrha on Friday May 14, 2021 @09:33AM
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I think the problem is some IPs just straight-up always get CAPTCHAs from Cloudflare even if one’s a good netizen, respect robots.txt, not crawl at ridiculous rate, and not lie in the user agent. One reason is shared IP, which disproportionally affects people from third world countries as their ISPs don’t have enough IPv4 for everyone; but it also happened mysteriously to at least one dedicated IP I used in the past. Your confrontational tone is rather unfortunate, and the problem of course is that you don’t guarantee anything even if the user has done nothing wrong, as is manifest from the choice of the phrase “starting point”.
Re:Cloudflare’s CAPTCHA replacement with FIDO2/WebAuthn is a...
by ehutch79 on Friday May 14, 2021 @09:57AM
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Then the problem has nothing to do with your crawling.
Re:Cloudflare’s CAPTCHA replacement with FIDO2/WebAuthn is a...
by joepie91_ on Friday May 14, 2021 @09:22AM
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Do you not realize the more fundamental problem with you, as a company, essentially being the one who gatekeeps crawler access to the web?
Re:Cloudflare’s CAPTCHA replacement with FIDO2/WebAuthn is a...
by dannyw on Friday May 14, 2021 @10:28AM
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I use cloudflare out of my free will because there's malicious traffic out there, and I have enough control over everything.
They're only a gatekeeper because sites voluntarily enter into commercial agreements with them. There's no coercion or manipulation like Google AMP.
Re:Cloudflare’s CAPTCHA replacement with FIDO2/WebAuthn is a...
by midev on Friday May 14, 2021 @10:55AM
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Customers pay for this as a feature. Why would they feel it's a fundamental problem? There's nothing that says admins need to let you crawl their site.
Re:Cloudflare’s CAPTCHA replacement with FIDO2/WebAuthn is a...
by vidarh on Friday May 14, 2021 @11:03AM
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If people intend this to happen, sure . But how many people who put their sites behind Cloudflare is aware that this might be a side effect?
Re:Cloudflare’s CAPTCHA replacement with FIDO2/WebAuthn is a...
by midev on Friday May 14, 2021 @11:08AM
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I would wager that most people that purchase Cloudflare are probably aware of the features it offers
Re:Cloudflare’s CAPTCHA replacement with FIDO2/WebAuthn is a...
by vidarh on Friday May 14, 2021 @01:51PM
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Note the distinction. I'd wager that the vast majority of sites behind Cloudflare are not paying customers, and have not paid much attention beyond "hides my server IP slightly and stops DDOS's", without having thought more - or at all - about the wider implications.
Re:Cloudflare’s CAPTCHA replacement with FIDO2/WebAuthn is a...
by joepie91_ on Sunday May 16, 2021 @07:28AM
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This is exactly the case.
Re:Cloudflare’s CAPTCHA replacement with FIDO2/WebAuthn is a...
by Xamayon on Friday May 14, 2021 @11:38AM
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Even then, I've run into issues with scraping several sites for the reverse image search engine I operate. Luckily, in most cases I have been able to get in touch with the people running those sites to get a rule added for my IPs to allow them through. That's not scalable though, and limits where I can scrape/crawl from. Even something as simple as checking a site for updates every hour or two tends to get blocked after a few times. TBH, one of the only things I have found which helps is lying in the user agent and copying CF cookies. Luckily, I haven't had to play with that for a few months due to whitelisting, so not sure it it would still help. Things change rapidly.
And what about crawlers with even more limited scopes (targeting only a handful of sites) that they can’t possibly be called search engines? Are they ever considered legit?