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Re:A paradigm shift to combat indoor respiratory infection by londons_explore on Friday May 14, 2021 @07:49AM (#27153197)
Wikipedia claims "Heat recovery systems typically recover about 60–95% of the heat in exhaust air".

But even recovering 95% of heat isn't exactly great. If you live in Canada and have a 2600 sq ft house with 8 ft ceilings and 10 changes of air per hour, and the indoors is 70F and outdoors is 0F, thats 2600810 cubic feet of air/ per hour, or 12000 BTU/hr. That means you are more than doubling your heating costs compared to sealing the building and just having conductive losses through the walls.

This is true for most climates - even the best energy recovery systems still double heating/cooling costs compared to having barely any fresh air.

Re:A paradigm shift to combat indoor respiratory infection by graeme on Friday May 14, 2021 @11:39AM (#27155410)
Something must be off with your math. I’ve tested opening a window a crack in my building in montreal. The co2 gets low even with two people present. Heating costs did not double.

Or maybe I had less than ten air changes?

Re:A paradigm shift to combat indoor respiratory infection by richardw on Friday May 14, 2021 @08:49AM (#27153660)
It can’t be that hard to focus on the rooms with people in them, reduce the other rooms to eg one change an hour.
Re:A paradigm shift to combat indoor respiratory infection by Enginerrrd on Friday May 14, 2021 @10:00AM (#27154399)
This is already done when calculating ventilation rates. It won't matter much because the majority of space in an occupied building is going to be classified as, well, occupied.
Re:A paradigm shift to combat indoor respiratory infection by Scoundreller on Friday May 14, 2021 @11:42AM (#27155438)
I always wonder how much I save by blocking off the vents in under-occupied rooms. They end up sitting a few degrees cooler in winter.
Re:A paradigm shift to combat indoor respiratory infection by staychilled on Monday May 17, 2021 @10:42AM (#27183984)
The problem is very seldom the house. The problem is shared spaces.
Re:A paradigm shift to combat indoor respiratory infection by ddxxdd on Friday May 14, 2021 @08:32AM (#27153519)
10 air changes per hour is a lot; I believe the current recommendations for average climates is 3.

And we're looking at the margins; 1 air change per hour can do wonders for preventing the spread of disease and improving air quality, compared to 0 air changes per hour.

Nevertheless, I redid your math, and found that your hypothetical home has 26,728 more BTUs of energy in its air, compared to the outside air[-1][0][1], and that the recommended furnace for such a climate should be 160,000 BTU/hr [2].

Using those numbers as a base, I find that, with an efficiency of 95%, it would require 120 (that's one hundred and twenty) air changes per hour to double heating costs.

With 60% efficiency, it would require 15 air changes per hour to double heating costs.

And it only takes a few air changes per hour to increase comfort and prevent illness.

[-1] I suddenly realized that the google search links that I used for these calculations are messy and unwieldy, so I'll summarize my calculations: (2600 ft^2) * (8 ft) represent the volume of the house; (1.225 kg / m^3) represents the density of air, (1.005 kJ/(kg * Kelvin)) represents the specific heat of air, (70 * (5/9)) represents the temperature difference you gave me, in Kelvin. Multiplying everything together, and letting Google automatically take care of unit conversions, gives me 28.2 MegaJoules of energy in the house.

[0] https://www.google.com/search?q=%282600+ft%5E2%29*%288+ft%29...

[1] https://www.google.com/search?q=convert+28199142.9+joules+to...

[2] https://www.pickhvac.com/calculator/heating-btu/

Re:A paradigm shift to combat indoor respiratory infection by londons_explore on Friday May 14, 2021 @08:45AM (#27153629)
My first calculation using entirely imperial units didn't go well... I think I'll stick to metric!
Re:A paradigm shift to combat indoor respiratory infection by ddxxdd on Friday May 14, 2021 @08:59AM (#27153747)
It's unavoidable when discussing residential heating. Just use google for automatic unit conversions, and be grateful that we didn't need to invoke the cumbersome unit of "R-value" to measure insulation!