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Re:Vaccinated Americans now may go without masks in most pla... by abduhl on Thursday May 13, 2021 @05:48PM (#27147914)
You don't think that the continual dehumanization of people into creatures with eyes, hair, and without emotions is a downside to wearing a mask in public? A smile as you hold the elevator door for someone goes unseen; all the other person gets is a withering stare from behind a sterile surgeon's mask. A joke that's good enough to make someone grin but not laugh is now a joke that falls flat on its face. An inappropriate remark that is met with a frown or pressed lips is now emboldened with apparent silence.

Yeah, I think there is some downside to never showing your nose and mouth. Especially when you think of them as more than breathing holes.

Re:Vaccinated Americans now may go without masks in most pla... by jasonlaramburu on Thursday May 13, 2021 @06:18PM (#27148200)
I think it should be 100% the wearer's choice whether they want to show the world their face or not. Saying 'thank you' to someone opening the door is just as good as a smile. Nobody 'owes' anyone else anything.
Re:Vaccinated Americans now may go without masks in most pla... by samatman on Thursday May 13, 2021 @11:47PM (#27150482)
You were allowed to wear a veil before the pandemic as well, and no one is going to stop you now.

I adopted the Asian custom of wearing a surgical mask when feeling under the weather four years ago, for the record. Got a lot of weird looks on the BART, but also some supportive ones from, you guessed it, Asians.

Re:Vaccinated Americans now may go without masks in most pla... by XorNot on Friday May 14, 2021 @02:22AM (#27151322)
This is pretty much what I'm intending to do from now on, and retrospectively it is crazy that I thought it was okay not to.
Re:Vaccinated Americans now may go without masks in most pla... by renewiltord on Friday May 14, 2021 @02:11PM (#27157689)
Same here, with the N95 mask because I had those for fire season. Same thing. It was fine.
Re:Vaccinated Americans now may go without masks in most pla... by hcurtiss on Friday May 14, 2021 @12:53AM (#27150821)
Emphatically agreed. Particularly in our increasingly-polarized and dehumanized culture, smiles are worth saving. Masks definitely do have costs. Severe costs for children at school with new teachers/strangers.
Re:Vaccinated Americans now may go without masks in most pla... by machello13 on Thursday May 13, 2021 @06:15PM (#27148171)
You can easily tell whether someone is smiling or not underneath a mask, and I think most people have learned to "smile with their eyes" to make it even more obvious. It's not that big a deal.
Re:Vaccinated Americans now may go without masks in most pla... by syntheticnature on Friday May 14, 2021 @12:32AM (#27150711)
At the start of all this, I saw someone point out that in Japan, where mask-wearing is more of a thing, their emoticon for smiling is ^_^ while in the US :) is used. One emphasizes the eyes, still visible with a mask on, the other the mouth. (Note: I am not an emoticon expert, let alone a cross-cultural one)

Given the number of women I've seen happy that no one has told them to smile during this pandemic, I guess a lot of folks in the US don't know how to tell when eyes are smiling.

Re:Vaccinated Americans now may go without masks in most pla... by stjohnswarts on Friday May 14, 2021 @12:14AM (#27150628)
Exactly the eye areas of regular humans (non-sociopaths) are very "vocal" as to emotions if you are paying attention.
Re:Vaccinated Americans now may go without masks in most pla... by jwilber on Thursday May 13, 2021 @10:34PM (#27150036)
Surely this is satire.
Re:Vaccinated Americans now may go without masks in most pla... by dehrmann on Friday May 14, 2021 @01:16AM (#27150964)
I hope it's not. There's a lot of non-verbal communication we miss when wearing masks. It's not as bad as how tone can be hard to communicate on the internet, but it's still not as good as being able to read someone's facial expressions.
Re:Vaccinated Americans now may go without masks in most pla... by ryandrake on Thursday May 13, 2021 @10:48PM (#27150123)
I really hope it was satire but I can’t tell anymore. If not, I guess now we add “dehumanization” to the list of horrible effects of wearing a little piece of cloth on your face. I really don’t get why so many people are willing to die on this particular silly hill.
Re:Vaccinated Americans now may go without masks in most pla... by wyldfire on Thursday May 13, 2021 @11:21PM (#27150324)
I don't have super strong passions here. But reverting to fashion norms seems pretty appropriate, once it's safe. If it's not safe now, when would it be?

People do take a lot of cues from facial expressions and at least in "the West" we rarely wear face coverings. So there's definitely some (mild?) cost to wearing the mask, too.

I will say this, though -- organizations that insist on compelling others to wear masks outdoors are terribly misguided.

Re:Vaccinated Americans now may go without masks in most pla... by nobody9999 on Friday May 14, 2021 @01:41AM (#27151116)
>organizations that insist on compelling others to wear masks outdoors

Which organizations might those be? State and local governments?

At least in the US, there are more than 50 states/territories, hundreds of cities and more than 3,000 counties. Each of which has separate authority for public health issues.

That said, many (perhaps most?) of those entities have been following the CDC guidelines. Those have now changed. As such. it seems likely that many of those 3,000+ entities will change their policy prescriptions.

Re:Vaccinated Americans now may go without masks in most pla... by wyldfire on Friday May 14, 2021 @08:28AM (#27153478)
> Which organizations might those be? State and local governments?

No, thankfully I think they're probably making mostly good recommendations there. I'm thinking of stuff like outdoor soccer - parents are asked to wear masks in a big open field with no crowds.

Re:Vaccinated Americans now may go without masks in most pla... by jwilber on Friday May 14, 2021 @01:15AM (#27150961)
I think people are purposely under-emphasizing the amount of facial communication still possible with a mask on. Never mind that all these dehumanization scenarios conveniently assume people have somehow lost all ability to utter any sort of noise.

If someone wants to continue wearing a mask for a reason with no harmful externalities (e.g. allergies, privacy), respect their personal freedoms and let them.