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Re:Instagram, Twitter blame glitches for deleting Palestinia... by Barrin92 on Wednesday May 12, 2021 @05:40PM (#27135476)
reminds of the 'accidental glitches' after anti-Modi posts vanished in India, curiously enough shortly after India pressured social media companies into silencing dissent.

People who think of centralised social media as an empowerement of voice of minority dissent have made a grave mistake. It's only contingently supportive as long as the position of the minority voices isn't in conflict with political or economic interests of the powers that be. And big anything be it government, business and so on is always run by people who come from the same power-centres that minorities are trying to speak up against.

Re:Instagram, Twitter blame glitches for deleting Palestinia... by darkwizard42 on Wednesday May 12, 2021 @06:50PM (#27136124)
I think it is a LOT simpler than what you are suspecting. As someone in the comments has pointed out, mass reporting on certain types of articles or certain sources trigger automated review/removal of that content.

Normally, consensus reporting is a good sign that something is undesirable. In this case it has clearly been weaponized. This is a TUNING problem and it seems like social media companies have to find a way to balance on this

Re:Instagram, Twitter blame glitches for deleting Palestinia... by serf on Wednesday May 12, 2021 @07:04PM (#27136264)
>This is a TUNING problem and it seems like social media companies have to find a way to balance on this

OK -- to play nice, let's say it's a tuning problem.

Why didn't this 'tuning problem' get fixed the first few times politically motivated messages got 'disappeared'?

At what point does the responsibility lie on those massaging the tuning methods?

my personal view is that social media is heavily gamed by the three-letter-agencies and all of their equivalents abroad. The existence of internal 'squads' within most of these groups that focus on social media networks reinforces that personal view -- if it wasn't an important battle ground then why form squadrons to seize and control it?

Re:Instagram, Twitter blame glitches for deleting Palestinia... by SpicyLemonZest on Wednesday May 12, 2021 @07:25PM (#27136449)
Why do we assume that it can be fixed? Even if there were no time constraint at all, and you could abolish all moderation tools to spend an hour carefully analyzing each individual post, I suspect you'd produce a lot of valid moderation complaints from people with different but reasonable assumptions. I don't think there exists any good strategy for moderating such controversial issues.
Re:Instagram, Twitter blame glitches for deleting Palestinia... by ALittleLight on Wednesday May 12, 2021 @09:17PM (#27137343)
They could try to detect incipient political situations, similar to how they detect trending tweets, and then treat reports related to those tweets with greater than usual scrutiny.

I don't think anyone expects Twitter or other social media companies to get this perfect. The nature of the problem means there will always be edge cases, debatable calls, and algorithms automatically doing unfortunate things. I do think there is a reasonable expectation for these companies to both do more and make progress.

Re:Instagram, Twitter blame glitches for deleting Palestinia... by gipp on Wednesday May 12, 2021 @09:38PM (#27137477)
> I don't think anyone expects Twitter or other social media companies to get this perfect

That's exactly what nearly everyone expects, for exactly their own individual definition of perfect.

Re:Instagram, Twitter blame glitches for deleting Palestinia... by swiley on Friday May 14, 2021 @03:46PM (#27158915)
This isn't a tuning problem.

This is the result of letting cooperations own communication channels, something we were escaping until smartphone apps became popular.

Re:Instagram, Twitter blame glitches for deleting Palestinia... by RandyRanderson on Wednesday May 12, 2021 @10:54PM (#27137923)
Wouldn't Israeli posts have been deleted too, then?
Re:Instagram, Twitter blame glitches for deleting Palestinia... by shitRETARDSsay on Thursday May 13, 2021 @12:22AM (#27138383)
This. Facebook is a small startup and don't have moderators to check the validity of the report bombing at all. It's totally a glitchy algorithm. They're totally not waiting to use the «glitch» argument to counter it the moment there is a public outcry.
Re:Instagram, Twitter blame glitches for deleting Palestinia... by naruvimama on Thursday May 13, 2021 @04:18AM (#27139715)
On the contrary a lot of English educated elite are beholden to the pre-modi power elite, a relic of the colonial continuum.

Meaning a lot of "moderators" are conditioned to be anti-modi and anti-hindu and pro communist or Islamic inspite of India's tragic history with both.

Re:Instagram, Twitter blame glitches for deleting Palestinia... by majjgepolja on Friday May 14, 2021 @07:01AM (#27152919)
Bruh.

> anti-modi and anti-hindu and pro communist or Islamic

You can be anti modi without being Anti Hindu. Lot of educated people are pretty rational. Opposing Hindu votebank politics is not anti Hindu. (Of course there are a bunch of liberal arts graduates posing as liberals but being actually anti Hindu, but no way they constitute the majority of "English educated elite".)

your comment sounds like a collection of all insults that extreme right wingers throw around a lot.

Sounds like you grew up in an upper caste household with all those conspiracy theories of India being suppressed from being a superpower by outside powers and colonial tendencies. I know this happens because I grew up in similar environment. :(

Re:Instagram, Twitter blame glitches for deleting Palestinia... by naruvimama on Sunday May 23, 2021 @03:26AM (#27253062)
Re:Instagram, Twitter blame glitches for deleting Palestinia... by naruvimama on Wednesday May 19, 2021 @02:48AM (#27205392)
Hindus do not have a consolidated vote bank unlike Muslims or Christians where commandments are passed on whom to choose.

If you selectively attack Hindus or Hindu vote bank that makes you anti-hindu.

Re:Instagram, Twitter blame glitches for deleting Palestinia... by naruvimama on Saturday May 15, 2021 @06:08AM (#27163907)
And you sound like someone who grew up in a elitist cocoon, parroting "pseudo liberal" wishy washy.

Unlike Nazis, colonialism did not face trial, so it continues on in its many old ways.

Re:Instagram, Twitter blame glitches for deleting Palestinia... by majjgepolja on Tuesday May 18, 2021 @10:14AM (#27194824)
> And you sound like someone who grew up in a elitist cocoon, parroting "pseudo liberal" wishy washy.

I grew up in a Brahmin household, and that's part of why I came to dislike and question all religions. I am not some pseudo liberal like you'd like to dismiss of (If you read my comment carefully, you will observe I have bashed them too).

The biggest problem is elitist attitude among ourselves. We should accept we were not some innately superior civilization that somehow got looted and screwed by colonialists, and that we have things to learn from outside as well. That's what the right wingers in India would never get.

Savarkar must be crying in the heaven seeing all nonsense "right wingers" perpetrate today.

Re:Instagram, Twitter blame glitches for deleting Palestinia... by naruvimama on Wednesday May 19, 2021 @02:41AM (#27205358)
We are from an ex-colony where English language skills is confused with intelligence.

You as well as the leftists are part of this elite.

You really need to read my first comment carefully before using your libed powered psychoanalyst powers.

It is the western, Islamic and communist countries that want to export their ideology, not us.

Re:Instagram, Twitter blame glitches for deleting Palestinia... by majjgepolja on Thursday May 20, 2021 @12:28AM (#27217380)
> You really need to read my first comment carefully before using your libed powered psychoanalyst powers.

Your first comment was just a blanket name calling lumping everyone you disagree with as anti Hindu anti Modi and COMMUNIST [sic].

Before talking about liberal education, realize your faction of extreme nationalists is busy perpetrating nonsense about vedic indians having invented all science and whatnot. I call out anything I perceive as biased, no matter right or left wing.

> You as well as the leftists are part of this elite.

Assume everyone you disagree with is elite, conveniently ignoring the 2000 years of religious elitism, ultimately leading to rise of a lazy preisthood to prominence, in midst of which we lost half of the country to invaders. If the europeans you hate so much did not colonize us, we would be under even more shitty religious rulers for more years.

Hating colonialists is just a trend among right wingers, conveniently ignoring that was the game then. You can't paste history with black and white.

We cannot play victim card here, brother.

> It is the western, Islamic and communist countries that want to export their ideology, not us.

Sort of, because our Rightwing ideology is not concerned about every nation. Otherwise you guys would be trying to propagate it as well. Not to mention you speak as if all these are united conspiracy to suppress some "superpower India".

Every fucking religion tried to spread itself. Even Vedic religion spread itself to South India through Brahmin migrations. Communism and western wokeism are just that - some kind of religions thinking everything can be painted black or white. We need to be aware of them, but thinking they are a unified conspiracy against Indian corrupt incumbents who claim themselves to be "Dharma Rakshakas" is stupid beyond imagination.

Re:Instagram, Twitter blame glitches for deleting Palestinia... by naruvimama on Thursday May 20, 2021 @03:47AM (#27218514)
I use the phrase "a lot" and "conditioned", precisely because the leftist/communist hold on education, transfered from the colonialist/church.

The colonialism narrative of every native civilization is to demonize them. The fact that you believe it is that you have accepted the white man's burden line, hook and sinker.

If you can not be helpful at least stop being a Macauly's sepoy.

Every civilization is built on a unifying grand narrative, real or imagined. There is nothing in the Hindutva grand narrative that involves wiping out other civilizations or dominating/enslaving them.

I see no harm in indulging in it. Especially when every other alternative involves wiping us out.

And stop bragging about your Brahmin background. 90% of Brahmins will sell their identity for a dollar and munch on beef burgers given a chance.

Identity and culture is the only valuable thing that 90% of poor Indians inherit from their ancestors and it is important for them to preserve it.

Re:Instagram, Twitter blame glitches for deleting Palestinia... by majjgepolja on Thursday May 20, 2021 @11:49PM (#27230283)
> The colonialism narrative of every native civilization is to demonize them. The fact that you believe it is that you have accepted the white man's burden line, hook and sinker.

Every civilization does that. They write history from their viewpoint. But at least they don't rely on sources of dubious credibility to reinforce their points. The grand hindutva narrative is often dubious and science-defying.

> I see no harm in indulging in it. Especially when every other alternative involves wiping us out.

You don't have to buy into a political narrative. You can just try to see objective truth.

> And stop bragging about your Brahmin background. 90% of Brahmins will sell their identity for a dollar and munch on beef burgers given a chance.

I did not brag about it. I told growing up in a Brahmin household made me realize we are also a stupid outdated religion, like all other religions. I also despised lazy preisthood in last comment.

And what's wrong with eating beef? It was just a tradition not to eat it due to religious reasons. You can follow good & reasonable things from Indian culture and be an atheist, Savarkar was.

The Brahman was supposed to be intellectual, even having an authority over the ruler class, being the face and brain of the society. What did __most__ Brahmins over the history do? Being lazy preists who did not contribute anything to society. Of course there are exceptions, but most did not value intellectual rigour, rather continued as religion preachers doing mystic rituals which position reinforced their wellbeing. If anything I am guilty of being born brahmin.

> Identity and culture is the only valuable thing that 90% of poor Indians inherit from their ancestors and it is important for them to preserve it.

It's also important to see what's good and what's bad for the current era. Even our sacred books say what's Dharma changes with time.

I generally don't argue with people indoctrinated with right or left wing philosophy and see everything as black and white. But on this site, it's disappointing to see someone repeating all the usual rightwing insults at the people they disagree with.

Re:Instagram, Twitter blame glitches for deleting Palestinia... by naruvimama on Friday May 21, 2021 @01:29AM (#27230815)
I do not understand what was misguided about my initial comment.

We are a decolonising nation, Modi is the first significant power shift away from the Lyuteans.

Our education is so full of leftist propaganda and whitewashed history.

For all your fears of pseudoscience, I am yet to see evidence of Modi pushing for it.

If you think "beef" is a religious issue and not a civilizational issue, I do not think you know enough about India to have an opinion. Just like Raul Vinci.

Re:Instagram, Twitter blame glitches for deleting Palestinia... by bobthechef on Wednesday May 12, 2021 @05:43PM (#27135500)
Or the minority known as the American oligarchy.