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Re:Ask HN: How to negotiate continuing to work remotely? by onion2k on Wednesday May 12, 2021 @02:56AM (#27127498)
You also need to consider what this looks like from the other side - an employee has looked a new role, interviewed for it, and been given an offer. That's a strong signal that they're unhappy and looking for the exit. You may say the fact you're not remote is the reason, but what if it's also about money or the work is boring or there's friction with your manager? The only information the company has is what you're saying, so it's likely to be incomplete.

Whenever someone on my team has approached me to say they have a better offer but they'll stay if I can match the terms I've always recommended they take the offer even if I'd be sad to lose them. Keeping someone on the team who is unhappy enough to go through the hiring process and find a new role is a short term fix at best.

Re:Ask HN: How to negotiate continuing to work remotely? by michaelt on Wednesday May 12, 2021 @05:01AM (#27128234)
Tech employees don't need to actively look for a new role - many people routinely receive cold calls from recruiters.

And although some companies make their hiring process like pulling teeth, there are plenty of employers where you only need a single day off work.

And don't all managers try to keep an eye on employees' frustration levels? If you don't, you should; it's kinda important for retention. If you only learn people are unhappy when it's too late, how are you going to know to take corrective action?

Of course, there will always be some people who get offers it's pointless to match - if I develop business software, and a guy who's always wanted to be a game developer gets a job offer from Valve, maybe he should take it :)

Re:Ask HN: How to negotiate continuing to work remotely? by swiftcoder on Wednesday May 12, 2021 @04:08AM (#27127928)
Quiet a few highly-motivated tech employees interview even if they aren't looking to move. Many of my friends/colleagues took 1-2 interviews a year just to keep their interviewing skills sharp (interviewing is a skill that benefits from practice, just like anything else), and to keep an eye on how far their comp was above/below market.

You can't necessarily infer "is unhappy here" from "has an offer from another firm".

Re:Ask HN: How to negotiate continuing to work remotely? by onion2k on Wednesday May 12, 2021 @05:43AM (#27128455)
You can't necessarily infer "is unhappy here" from "has an offer from another firm".

You absolutely can infer that if the person has come to you saying they're considering taking the offer. People don't consider offers from other companies unless there's a reason why they might want to leave where they are now.

Some people think an offer is leverage they can use to improve their current role, but really it's a signal that the person is already half out of the door and the company should say goodbye and start recruiting a replacement.

Re:Ask HN: How to negotiate continuing to work remotely? by swiftcoder on Wednesday May 12, 2021 @04:11AM (#27127948)
Although if you take this strategy, it's also worth talking openly about it on the regular. That way your management wont go into panic mode when they hear you are interviewing, but they'll also be reminded regularly to adjust your comp to market levels ;)
Re:Ask HN: How to negotiate continuing to work remotely? by spuz on Wednesday May 12, 2021 @03:15AM (#27127610)
I agree to some extent here. I think it's perhaps better in general that employees raise their specific needs very clearly with their employers and if they feel like they are not being listened to then they should start to look to find another offer. If the very first step an employee takes before negotiating for free tea and coffee in the break room is to slap another job offer on the table then I agree it looks bad.

It seems pfp did it right by first making their requirements well known and then putting themselves in a good negotiation position.

Re:Ask HN: How to negotiate continuing to work remotely? by disiplus on Wednesday May 12, 2021 @04:21AM (#27128013)
i can tell you from my own experience and from a experience when leading a team, if they did get thru the whole process and got another solid offer, what you are buying is usually some time. from my experience when i got another offer, my then current employer matched and then extended the offer. But when the next offer came one year later i was gone. When leading the team i got a junior that said he got an offer. I got us that we could match, but we where not in the position then to offer more. And sure enough after one year he was gone.
Re:Ask HN: How to negotiate continuing to work remotely? by taurath on Wednesday May 12, 2021 @03:03AM (#27127545)
Simply don’t tell them you’re looking. Or (less simply) have savings enough to float for a few months and take a vacation. “Fuck you” money is a joy.