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Re:The global chip shortage is starting to have consequences by bredren on Sunday May 09, 2021 @11:42AM (#27096895)
We are in the iPod Video stage of individual car ownership.
Re:The global chip shortage is starting to have consequences by mywittyname on Sunday May 09, 2021 @12:23PM (#27097228)
I disagree.

Whether your into sports cars or fuel efficient cars, both categories have meaningfully improved over the past few years.

For sports cars, there's a number of 500,600,700hp cars on the market. Corvettes went mid engine (2020), Miatas lost 400lbs of weight(2016), Mustangs/Camaros/Chargers are now 460+HP (2018ish), a VW Golf R will hit 60MPH in 4 seconds with a 2.0L motor, and that's not even getting into Teslas.

For economy cars, a Rav4 hybrid gets about as good of fuel economy as a 2014 Prius, while being substantially larger. There are good hybrid offerings from non-Toyota brands, such as KIA. Plug in hybrids are pretty widely available. Even non-hybrids such as the Civic improved substantially in fuel economy in the past few years. In 2016, Civic fuel economy improved about 8% across the lineup.

For many auto makers, the transition from early 2010s to late 2010s came with substantial improvements. Not just in measureable metrics either. Transmission performance has improved so much between 2010 and 2020. It's really insane to experience a 2010 6 speed automatic, then compare it to a car with a modern 8,9,10 speed. The difference is night and day for most cars.

Re:The global chip shortage is starting to have consequences by bredren on Sunday May 09, 2021 @12:41PM (#27097401)
I'm sure people who pay attention to cars and their performance would agree. And I think many cars will sell.

But I think "meaningfully improved" is in the eye of the beholder.

Steve Jobs' one more thing for iPod gen five included the exclamation "calendars never looked better!"

You look at the slide he has behind him and it looks ridiculous. How useful was that calendar, how silly does that look now? What is the meaning of 0 to 60 in 4 seconds when there's traffic anyway? Isn't there a safer, less expensive way to get a rush than pushing a pedal with a foot?

I'm not arguing that these features you're describing viewed through the lens of today aren't meaningful. Breakout on iPod Video was cool too. But these improvements do not change the fundamental experience of personal transportation. They make it marginally better at best.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jyblf2P_q5Q

Re:The global chip shortage is starting to have consequences by ev1 on Sunday May 09, 2021 @03:16PM (#27098822)
> What is the meaning of 0 to 60 in 4 seconds when there's traffic anyway?

I take public transit and don't own a car ($500/m parking, insane insurance rates in SF, cars broken into within minutes in daylight), but drive rentals/carshare-by-hour periodically. Merging and accelerating onto a freeway from a rate limited entryway stopped to 60 is somewhat useful while keeping up with flow.

Re:The global chip shortage is starting to have consequences by stjohnswarts on Sunday May 09, 2021 @06:09PM (#27100292)
Yeah, I'm tryign to make my dino car last until I can get a $40k electric car that will go 500 mile on a single charge running AC in the Texas heat. THen I'll run that into the ground for 15-20 years hopefully.
Re:The global chip shortage is starting to have consequences by Hamuko on Sunday May 09, 2021 @11:45AM (#27096930)
Are you saying that the next step will be the best version of individual car ownership?
Re:The global chip shortage is starting to have consequences by bredren on Sunday May 09, 2021 @12:00PM (#27097053)
I sure hope so. I think car culture is bad art.

But to defend the analogy, iPod Video was iPod gen 5. Apple did two more generations on that format with the minimum additional feature set.

That might take a while. And there will be many a Zune sold in the meantime.

Re:The global chip shortage is starting to have consequences by tricolon on Sunday May 09, 2021 @12:26PM (#27097262)
Can you elaborate a bit? I am quite familiar with the various iPods but quite unfamiliar with cars.
Re:The global chip shortage is starting to have consequences by bredren on Sunday May 09, 2021 @12:45PM (#27097439)
There are a lot of car enthusiasts here who can explain what makes new cars cool. You'll have to make your own comparison to iPod features from 2005.