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Re:Google is going to turn on 2FA by default by pilif on Sunday May 09, 2021 @02:52AM (#27093832)
You can remove the phone number and the other options stay enabled. I removed the phone years ago, because I did not want all of my security for more or less all of my online accounts (password recovery via email) to hinge on the unhelpfulness of a customer service agent of my cell phone provider who is heavily incentivized to be as helpful as possible to any criminal impersonating me
Re:Google is going to turn on 2FA by default by fsflover on Sunday May 09, 2021 @04:05AM (#27094178)
And you of course can trust Google that they actually remove your phone number. /s
Re:Google is going to turn on 2FA by default by Spivak on Sunday May 09, 2021 @09:04AM (#27095627)
Look, this is silly. Not removing the users number on request is asking for a huge scandal if it ever was leaked or compromised. Pulling this crap isn’t worth it. The value of collecting a few phone numbers from people who don’t want to give it out is nothing.
Re:Google is going to turn on 2FA by default by masklinn on Sunday May 09, 2021 @09:09AM (#27095658)
You might not consider it worth it, but some marketroid? Was anyone actually surprised when facebook sent spam texts to 2FA numbers back in 2018? They just floated that balloon and went "whoop sorry bug in the system" and that was that.
Re:Google is going to turn on 2FA by default by disgruntledphd2 on Tuesday May 11, 2021 @09:10AM (#27117615)
To be fair, it was almost certainly a bug in their system.

You can argue that they shouldn't have made that mistake, and I'd agree, but stupidity is always more likely than malice.

Re:Google is going to turn on 2FA by default by masklinn on Tuesday May 11, 2021 @11:49AM (#27119582)
> stupidity is always more likely than malice.

It's interesting how the supposedly smartest companies of the world are so regularly so stupid in such consistent ways.

They're never stupid in a "oh no we deleted all your personal information from our system and now can't track you anymore" way, weirdly.

Re:Google is going to turn on 2FA by default by disgruntledphd2 on Wednesday May 12, 2021 @08:16AM (#27129402)
that probably happens, but it doesn't tend to get publicity.

More generally, remember that you could be one of those megacorp employees one day, and you might build a 2fa system which logged to a particular place.

Later (remember the company is growing for 50% for many years) some new person sees the phone numbers and doesn't realise their provenance (very likely culturally at a place like FB, where things are default open) someone else finds the phone numbers and uses them to send marketing messages.

Like, that's what happened (most likely) but it amazes me that people will always want understanding for their own mistakes, but regularly disclaim that others shouldn't have done it, or made a mistake maliciously.

To be clear, I have no special insight here, but I think that assuming everything is malice and pre-planned is a less fruitful headspace to inhabit than realising that everyone is human, all companies make mistakes and that's a good prior.

To be even clearer, FB should have made this bug impossible (and I'm sure they have now), but given the amount of mistakes I've made I hesitate to cast the first (or indeed one of the last I suppose) stone.

Re:Google is going to turn on 2FA by default by fsflover on Sunday May 09, 2021 @11:11AM (#27096594)
> Pulling this crap isn’t worth it.

And what happens if it's revealed? How large are fines, how long the prison time?

Re:Google is going to turn on 2FA by default by capevace on Sunday May 09, 2021 @04:01PM (#27099202)
For data of EU citizens, up to 2% of global revenue for small violations, 4% for severe ones
Re:Google is going to turn on 2FA by default by xg15 on Sunday May 09, 2021 @10:55PM (#27102227)
Simply bury something in the TOS along the line of "oh well actually we reserve the right to do whatever with your 2F phone number" and be done with it.

Or just keep a hash of the number as GP described.

Re:Google is going to turn on 2FA by default by trissylegs on Sunday May 09, 2021 @07:38PM (#27100946)
There indeed was a big scandal when FB did something like this with 2fa SMS numbers