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Re:Apple brass discussed disclosing 128M iPhone hack, then d... by tpxl on Saturday May 08, 2021 @06:23PM (#27091322)
> Tim Sweeney has been a vocal supporter of open platforms/markets for many years.

If he was, he would be against exclusives, but he pays handsomely for those.

Re:Apple brass discussed disclosing 128M iPhone hack, then d... by echelon on Sunday May 09, 2021 @12:20AM (#27093206)
These aren't even comparable.

- Epic marketplace has a few exclusive video game titles for their marketplace.

- Their games can be installed on multiple platforms.

- Also, there are dozens of competing video game marketplaces, each with their own exclusives. You can't play Zelda on PC.

Vs.

- There are only two brands of smartphones. Everyone is forced into this duopoly.

- iPhone is a device that doesn't let users repair it

- iPhone is a device that doesn't let users install their own software

- iOS forces all commerce through Apple's tax rails

- iOS prevents forming a relationship with customers as it gives businesses a disposable fake contact. These are "Apple's customers", not yours.

Businesses have two choices: fuck off and die of irrelevancy, or put on the Apple gimp suit and get fucked. There's no way this was ever legal. We've all just been gaslighted by Apple's mind-bending PR. They've constructed the biggest monopoly of all time.

Re:Apple brass discussed disclosing 128M iPhone hack, then d... by scarface74 on Sunday May 09, 2021 @02:49AM (#27093819)
Epic and especially FortNite is it’s own marketplace. You can’t buy in game merchandise without going through Epic’s payment system. T

As far as relationships, I don’t want every business to have relationship with me. For those companies that need one, they can have users register.

How is the App Store any more illegal than the consoles? Yes every physical game you buy for a console still has to be approved by the console makers.

Re:Apple brass discussed disclosing 128M iPhone hack, then d... by echelon on Sunday May 09, 2021 @01:44PM (#27097953)
Because I'm not trying to run my dating app on the Epic platform. And if gamer dating was my thing, I'd have twenty or so different market places to target.

Apple is the only game in town, and they bully everyone. Their rise to this position and stranglehold over all commerce was an illegal move that will be corrected by the DOJ.

Imagine if AOL controlled the Internet and all websites had to pay 30% to AOL. That's the world we live in with Apple.

Re:Apple brass discussed disclosing 128M iPhone hack, then d... by scarface74 on Sunday May 09, 2021 @03:55PM (#27099165)
Apple is not the only game in town. It doesn’t even have the majority market share.

Not to mention that there is also the web.

No website has to pay Apple 30%. In fact, no dating app has to pay Apple 30%. They can all force you to pay on the web and Apple won’t get any cut.

Re:Apple brass discussed disclosing 128M iPhone hack, then d... by echelon on Sunday May 09, 2021 @10:43PM (#27102159)
The web is increasingly not an option and you know it.
Re:Apple brass discussed disclosing 128M iPhone hack, then d... by scarface74 on Monday May 10, 2021 @12:08PM (#27107591)
So tell me why the web isn’t an option for a dating app?
Re:Apple brass discussed disclosing 128M iPhone hack, then d... by echelon on Monday May 10, 2021 @12:44PM (#27107976)
Absolutely.

Do you think Tinder would have caught on as a website? Apple trained people to use apps.

Furthermore, what about real time video transcoding? Apple kept their web browser purposely hobbled to force people into their dungeon. You can't use a multitude of modern, advanced capabilities with safari. How can I do advanced workloads in parallel, at high performance, in the background? I can't because Apple.

Re:Apple brass discussed disclosing 128M iPhone hack, then d... by scarface74 on Monday May 10, 2021 @02:30PM (#27109245)
Tender interactions very much could work on the web.

You can’t do advanced workloads in the background with native apps on iOS. Apple strictly limits what an app can do in the background to conserve battery life. Safari doesn’t stop running in the background.

I don’t know about performance, but if someone could write a performant JS/web assembly transcoder that could run on the web, since iOS devices routinely trounce all Android devices with respect to browser performance, I’m sure it could be done.

Re:Apple brass discussed disclosing 128M iPhone hack, then d... by johnnyanmac on Thursday May 13, 2021 @05:53PM (#27147970)
>Tender interactions very much could work on the web.

it's not about what "could work", a 15fps game "could work".

it's "what is successful". And for a mobile audience, UI/UX engineers have spend decades determining that after a certain amount of lag, that experience is lost.be it for technical or political reasons, Safari and by extension, much of HTML 5 cannot meet this UX criteria. So an application has an massive advantage.

>but if someone could write a performant JS/web assembly transcoder that could run on the web

Sounds like a Progressive Web App: https://web.dev/what-are-pwas/

They've come far but are far from perfect. It's also moot in this case, since certain optimizations would need to rely on understanding Safari's infrastructure. Which is closed source. They can optimize it for webkit, but any web dev can tell you that interplatform quirks are the 2nd 90% of the battle.

Re:Apple brass discussed disclosing 128M iPhone hack, then d... by tpxl on Sunday May 09, 2021 @04:59AM (#27094406)
Compare them to Steam and GOG, not apple.

- GoG will give you DRM free downloads

- Steam allows you to give out keys for free then use their infrastructure to download/manage the game (humble bundle steam keys)

- None of them force exclusives as far as I know

> Businesses have two choices: fuck off and die of irrelevancy, or put on the Apple gimp suit and get fucked.

No they don't. There's plenty of businesses that are alive and well and not getting fucked by anyone.

Re:Apple brass discussed disclosing 128M iPhone hack, then d... by arvinsim on Sunday May 09, 2021 @07:52AM (#27095240)
Can you cite big businesses that are successful that is Android exclusive?
Re:Apple brass discussed disclosing 128M iPhone hack, then d... by MattRix on Monday May 10, 2021 @09:59AM (#27106032)
There’s nothing wrong with exclusives. They aren’t any more “anti-consumer” than first party titles (like Valve’s own Half-Life, Portal, etc)