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Re:China emissions exceed all developed nations combined by Udik on Saturday May 08, 2021 @01:10PM (#27088945)
Ok, so let's blame China for being the largest emitter of co2. Then the problem would be solved by splitting China equally in two new countries, ChinaA and ChinaB, each with exactly half of the current population and factories and everything else unchanged. The emissions of each half would now be less than the emissions if the US, would you start blaming the US now for being the biggest emitter? Note that absolutely nothing would have changed in terms of pollution.

It would make more sense to blame China for having such a high population density- four times that of the US. However, reducing the population is a pretty harsh demand, and in fairness China has already taken tough measures in this respect with the one child policy.

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Re:China emissions exceed all developed nations combined by josephcsible on Saturday May 08, 2021 @01:47PM (#27089279)
> splitting China equally in two new countries, ChinaA and ChinaB, each with exactly half of the current population and factories and everything else unchanged. The emissions of each half would now be less than the emissions if the US

Check your math again: this isn't true. Per the article we're discussing, China is responsible for 27% of emissions and the US for 11%. Half of China's emissions is more than all of the US's emissions.

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Re:China emissions exceed all developed nations combined by Udik on Saturday May 08, 2021 @04:15PM (#27090295)
> Check your math again: this isn't true

I used data from 2018, which I understand can be outdated now. But then you can split China in four parts, the argument doesn't change. If the problem is the total amount emitted by any political division of people, then splitting it in multiple parts should solve the problem. It doesn't.

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Re:China emissions exceed all developed nations combined by josephcsible on Saturday May 08, 2021 @04:29PM (#27090406)
But the reason China gets away with as much as it does is that it's so big and powerful. If there were four mini-Chinas, it would be much easier for the rest of the world to say "we're not buying anything from you until you clean up your emissions."
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Re:China emissions exceed all developed nations combined by Udik on Saturday May 08, 2021 @09:39PM (#27092398)
> If there were four mini-Chinas, it would be much easier...

But why would you? They wouldn't be the worst emitters, after all. The US would be a worse emitter than each of them.

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Re:China emissions exceed all developed nations combined by yongjik on Saturday May 08, 2021 @09:46PM (#27092425)
I don't think so. Saudi Arabia has 1/20th the GDP of China, murders a journalist, and the US still has no problem importing oil.
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Re:China emissions exceed all developed nations combined by akomtu on Saturday May 08, 2021 @02:25PM (#27089555)
Is it because China manufactures almost everything we buy in the US?
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Re:China emissions exceed all developed nations combined by josephcsible on Saturday May 08, 2021 @04:00PM (#27090190)
Even if this is the source of the pollution, there's clean and dirty ways to manufacture most things, and China has no qualms about using a dirtier way if it's cheaper.
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