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Re:I’ve had the same supper for 10 years by brokencode on Saturday May 08, 2021 @01:19AM (#27084118)
I think eating the same thing every day is fine, though you need to make sure to have a balanced diet with good nutrition. The author mentioned his uncle who just ate bread, butter, and cheese for every meal, and I’m not sure how you can even survive off of that. Surely it’s lacking something important with no fruit or vegetables.

I’ve heard that humans had a long period of time after we became sedentary and started relying on agriculture that the average height decreased significantly, and it was only in recent centuries that it has gotten back to normal due to more varied nutrition. So even if you can technically survive on a very limited diet, it can still have negative effects.

Re:I’ve had the same supper for 10 years by chrisco255 on Saturday May 08, 2021 @02:19AM (#27084429)
> I’ve heard that humans had a long period of time after we became sedentary and started relying on agriculture that the average height decreased significantly, and it was only in recent centuries that it has gotten back to normal due to more varied nutrition. So even if you can technically survive on a very limited diet, it can still have negative effects.

It's not the variety of the diet but the quality of the food itself. Bread is good for energy, but if all you're eating is bread, you're not getting complete proteins, omega 3s, and other nutrients. It's fine, however, to eat nothing but meat and many societies did this for hundreds of thousands of years.

Farming is anything but sedentary, especially in the 19th century and prior. People's height was stunted because food was not abundant enough. Agricultural societies tended to grow faster than farming productivity could keep up with. A lot of people were simply malnourished and therefore never reached their natural height capacity.

But as you say, the hunter / gatherers such as the native Americans were taller on average than the first European settlers to arrive in America. This is not due to a particularly diverse diet. Most cultures subsisted on meat from hunting (largest source of nutrition) and a select few vegetables. The difference is that hunter / gatherer societies tended to self regulate their population according to available resources.

Re:I’ve had the same supper for 10 years by hzay on Saturday May 08, 2021 @03:13AM (#27084713)
> It's fine, however, to eat nothing but meat and many societies did this for hundreds of thousands of years.

Other than those who live in the arctic, which societies did this? You have sources? Thanks!

Re:I’ve had the same supper for 10 years by pnt12 on Saturday May 08, 2021 @07:11AM (#27086026)
I think it's false. Hunter gatherer communities (no societies back there) lived by what they could find - either hunt animals or look for fruits, plants and mushrooms.

Then there was a shift towards agricultural societies, where people relied on their plantations and domesticated cattle. I don't think the cattle meat would be enough for most of their meals, probably the most of them would be bread and soup.

This is just a vague recollection from A Brief History of Humanity, but it makes sense to me. Eating just meat sounds terribly "costly", you have to actively ignore all other sources of food around you.

Re:I’ve had the same supper for 10 years by jrochkind1 on Saturday May 08, 2021 @09:52AM (#27087128)
Even ancient hunter gatherers probably ate a diet of more (wild) plant than meat. Catching animals is hard work, with the technology of the time.

But in general, I think we know a lot less about the lives of people so long ago than many people (including academics) like to think. Research methods are often based on either assuming modern people's lifestyles are "just like" ancient people, or big leaps from extremely limited archeological evidence.

Re:I’ve had the same supper for 10 years by chrisco255 on Saturday May 08, 2021 @05:01PM (#27090636)
No, of course they didn't. They lived in the Ice Age. Edible veggies and nutrients were extremely sparse and hard to come by for 1M years. Also wild plants prior to cultivation were not these big beautiful tomatoes, apples, bananas, and cucumbers we see in the grocery stores today. Those plants were selectively bred for thousands of years to produce what you see today.

Grass-eating bison, aurochs, horses, goats, sheep, etc were our primary source of nutrition in the ice age, not to mention mammoths (as well as fish).

And this is evidenced by ancient cave paintings tens of thousands of years old depicting hunts as well as the bone remnants in the caves and homes of ancient humans.

Re:I’ve had the same supper for 10 years by jrochkind1 on Saturday May 08, 2021 @05:55PM (#27091105)
The "of course" common sense is a pretty poor research method.

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2115127-ancient-leftove...

https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/guest-blog/human-ancest...

But mostly what the conflicting theories with consensus that changes from generation to generation tells me is that it's very hard to know for sure how people 15K+ years ago lived.

Re:I’ve had the same supper for 10 years by chrisco255 on Saturday May 08, 2021 @04:58PM (#27090613)
https://israelheadlinenews.com/for-2-million-years-humans-at...

Also the Maasai tribe in Africa: https://www.wired.com/2012/09/milk-meat-and-blood-how-diet-d...

The Sami in Scandinavia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S%C3%A1mi_people

So really all societies did this until the advent of agriculture ~10K years ago. And even then, the agricultural revolution was not evenly distributed and hunting or fishing as a primary source of nutrition was common even just 150 years ago.

Re:I’ve had the same supper for 10 years by thaumasiotes on Saturday May 08, 2021 @01:30AM (#27084175)
> The author mentioned his uncle who just ate bread, butter, and cheese for every meal, and I’m not sure how you can even survive off of that. Surely it’s lacking something important with no fruit or vegetables.

The only thing you're really missing there is dietary fiber, which -- being indigestible -- doesn't have nutritional value. However, it does interact with your intestines as it passes through them in a manner which tends to promote their health.

So no, survival is not even a question that should come up.

Re:I’ve had the same supper for 10 years by brokencode on Saturday May 08, 2021 @02:13AM (#27084410)
“Not even a question that should come up” is a pretty sour attitude to take in general, and I don’t even think you’re right.

Fiber does have a health impact as you say, and having good health is one of the main ways known to delay death. And what is survival but the delay of death?

My point is that by eating a larger variety of nutritious food, you are less likely to suffer from poor health due to a lack of something you need.

Re:I’ve had the same supper for 10 years by kitbrennan on Saturday May 08, 2021 @02:35AM (#27084516)
There are a long list of illnesses caused by vitamin deficiencies, including Scurvy, Rickets, magnesium deficiencies and iron deficiencies (as well as others). These can be life threatening too, so survival is very much a question that should come up.
Re:I’ve had the same supper for 10 years by watwut on Saturday May 08, 2021 @03:45AM (#27084885)
> The only thing you're really missing there is dietary fiber

It misses iron, so it puts him at risk of anemia. Which is very real thing.

Scurvy and other vitamins deficience diseases are very real thing too.

So yes, if that food was literally all he eate long term, the question of survival makes perfect sense.

Re:I’ve had the same supper for 10 years by WA on Saturday May 08, 2021 @02:16AM (#27084418)
You sound like this was a certain thing, whereas nutritional science is very complex.
Re:I’ve had the same supper for 10 years by throwawaaarrgh on Saturday May 08, 2021 @10:37AM (#27087483)
> you need to make sure to have a balanced diet with good nutrition

You know, you are going to die. They're going to lower you into a hole in the ground. The worms will have you for dinner. That's it.

Right before you die, are you going to say to yourself, "boy, I'm sure glad I made sure to have a balanced diet with good nutrition" ? Will you say, "I'm glad I didn't enjoy cheese and bread with butter every single day" ?

70 years of pure joy, of every moment counting, of getting just what you want, is worth a million years of trying to extend your life and health. Don't live the life you think you're supposed to, and don't live for the future. Whatever you like, do it now.

Re:I’ve had the same supper for 10 years by driverdan on Saturday May 08, 2021 @10:49AM (#27087628)
This is a terrible approach. If you die 15 years earlier and suffer with many health problems later in life you'll wish you had eaten better.

Living in the moment doesn't mean ignoring the future consequences of your actions.

Re:I’ve had the same supper for 10 years by brokencode on Saturday May 08, 2021 @01:55PM (#27089345)
What an insightful point! Maybe I should eat nothing but candy, smoke cigarettes, and go into bright sunlight with no sunscreen everyday. Who cares if I get diabetes or mouth, lung, or skin cancer!

Or maybe I can just take basic precautions like eating more than three different foods? You make it sound like that is such a burden, but it really isn’t. It’s possible to enjoy your life even while taking care of yourself.

In fact, I have a much easier time being happy when my health is good than when I am sick, so I’d say these precautions are important for a good life.

Re:I’ve had the same supper for 10 years by chillwaves on Saturday May 08, 2021 @11:26AM (#27087970)
Of course we are aware we are going to die. Can you make your point without talking down to people?
Re:I’ve had the same supper for 10 years by kitbrennan on Saturday May 08, 2021 @02:28AM (#27084477)
> The author mentioned his uncle who just ate bread, butter, and cheese for every meal, and I’m not sure how you can even survive off of that. Surely it’s lacking something important with no fruit or vegetables.

Exactly, wouldn’t you end up with scurvy from the lack of vitamin C?

Re:I’ve had the same supper for 10 years by raverbashing on Saturday May 08, 2021 @03:28AM (#27084795)
If he had some jam or some fruit sometimes no

Your "not get scurvy" not levels of Vit C are really small. As in months on the sea small (or maybe college freshman small)

Re:I’ve had the same supper for 10 years by jrochkind1 on Saturday May 08, 2021 @09:50AM (#27087109)
I had the same thought. And yet he seems to be doing at least okay... I would assume that as a farmer he gets plenty of physical activity.

Perhaps diet has much less to do with health compared to physical activity than Americans tend to act as if.

Re:I’ve had the same supper for 10 years by dopidopHN on Saturday May 08, 2021 @01:26AM (#27084158)
My thought exactly. I’m fine with a repetitive diet but some fiber would be welcome.
Re:I’ve had the same supper for 10 years by chubbyish on Saturday May 08, 2021 @03:19AM (#27084750)
How is the author overweight eating what he eats, and walking around outside. That makes no sense.
Re:I’ve had the same supper for 10 years by jonnycomputer on Saturday May 08, 2021 @11:42AM (#27088133)
Is the author overweight? Over weight for what? For living a life of hard manual labor? Well in his 70s and still mobile and able to run a farm seems like he's doing fine. Besides ... he may have gained weight after his stroke; used to eating a farmer's meal but not moving about much.

Besides ... you've heard of studies that have shown that the calorie expenditure of hunter-gatherers, walking around all day, is about the same as couch potato Americans sitting around all day... here's the link: https://www.npr.org/sections/13.7/2013/06/13/191036200/what-...

Re:I’ve had the same supper for 10 years by watwut on Saturday May 08, 2021 @03:53AM (#27084919)
Reading about what he eats, I am not sure why you would expect him to be thin.

Both his food and shape are pretty much the normal shape for people living in villages doing small farming.

Re:I’ve had the same supper for 10 years by StanislavPetrov on Saturday May 08, 2021 @04:25AM (#27085081)
He says he has biscuits at the end of every meal - he doesn't say how many!
Re:I’ve had the same supper for 10 years by forsakenkraken on Saturday May 08, 2021 @01:30PM (#27089135)
He looks similar in size to plenty of Welsh farmers that I know. I suspect that eating a tin of beans every day isn't the best.
Re:I’ve had the same supper for 10 years by CodeGlitch on Saturday May 08, 2021 @03:43AM (#27084875)
My thoughts exactly. He gets plenty of fresh air and exercise, and his meals don't sound too unhealthy, but he's had 2 strokes?

Could be genetics I suppose?

Glad he's found happiness though.