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Re:California population declines for first time in more tha... by jshen on Saturday May 08, 2021 @12:29AM (#27083887)
You can absolutely afford it on two tech salaries. I was exactly the person your describing 15+ years ago, but my wife wasn’t working so we only had one tech salary. Fast forward all that time, and the housing market you complain about will likely be a huge wealth generator for you, where as this cheap houses in the middle of no where won’t be.
Re:California population declines for first time in more tha... by ohazi on Saturday May 08, 2021 @12:59AM (#27084020)
> Fast forward all that time, and the housing market you complain about will likely be a huge wealth generator for you

But this perpetuates the problem, and makes it much worse for the next generation! You do realize that this can't continue indefinitely, right? I mean, maybe this doesn't bother you, which I suppose is fine. Does it bother you?

Look, you're technically right. I also own a house in California, and am far better off because of it. But it still bothers the hell out of me.

I'd much rather fix the problem in the general case than adopt this "I've got mine, therefore everything is fine" sense of entitlement.

Do you really want to be 90 years old in your $50 million NorCal farmhouse paying your grandfathered in $15,000/year property taxes when everyone else paying $500,000/year decide that enough is enough and torch the place?

A retirement strategy that depends on screwing over a younger generation and hoping that they don't manage to get revenge before you die is a risky bet.

Re:California population declines for first time in more tha... by lotsofpulp on Saturday May 08, 2021 @01:20AM (#27084129)
> I'd much rather fix the problem in the general case than adopt this "I've got mine, therefore everything is fine" sense of entitlement.

The root of the problem is California is a very desirable place to live, and adding sufficient supply would decrease what makes California so desirable (per the local voting populaces).

The solution is non existent, as you’re not going to be able to come up with more Californias, but people are accepting some pieces of it by moving to various other cities in the West.

Re:California population declines for first time in more tha... by jjav on Sunday May 09, 2021 @06:08AM (#27094727)
> But this perpetuates the problem > Look, you're technically right.

Technically right is the same as right.

It is extremely difficult to change all of society. It is honorable to try.

But meanwhile while waiting for that change, the OP could shoot themselves in the foot by renting, or improve life by buying.

Re:California population declines for first time in more tha... by birdyrooster on Saturday May 08, 2021 @01:25AM (#27084153)
I don’t know if not buying a house makes any difference because you are still taking up apartments that non tech people are priced out of. To quote Skyrim NPCs “Should’ve never come here.”
Re:California population declines for first time in more tha... by jshen on Saturday May 08, 2021 @01:20AM (#27084126)
Not buying a house doesn’t do anything to fix the problem.
Re:California population declines for first time in more tha... by svnt on Saturday May 08, 2021 @11:32AM (#27088034)
This is identical to saying that cutting your carbon footprint does nothing to help the problem.
Re:California population declines for first time in more tha... by jshen on Saturday May 08, 2021 @01:08PM (#27088925)
Those aren’t identical at all.
Re:California population declines for first time in more tha... by refurb on Saturday May 08, 2021 @04:54AM (#27085212)
Exactly! Housing only goes up and what happened in the last 15 years is bound to repeat itself in the next 15 years.
Re:California population declines for first time in more tha... by jshen on Saturday May 08, 2021 @09:56AM (#27087154)
I’m guessing this is sarcasm, and yes, it’s not a sure thing, but it’s pretty close. Also, you have to live somewhere so the investment is offset by the rent you’d otherwise be paying.
Re:California population declines for first time in more tha... by refurb on Saturday May 08, 2021 @10:51AM (#27087649)
Owning is more expensive renting generally in the Bay Area. You’ll come out ahead owning if you own for 5-10 years and see appreciation.

But SF housing dropped 30% in 2008. No reason it can’t happen again.

Re:California population declines for first time in more tha... by dragonwriter on Saturday May 08, 2021 @10:58AM (#27087707)
If you look at SF market history, you see mostly rapid growth with short term declines from peaks which are quickly erased.

Is there risk? Sure, but its hard to find a 5-10 year period where you lose even if you hit the bottom of one of the drops, which are usually only a year or two from the peak.

Re:California population declines for first time in more tha... by refurb on Saturday May 08, 2021 @08:06PM (#27091961)
10 years to recover from 2006 peak, not adjusting for inflation.

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/SFXRSA

Re:California population declines for first time in more tha... by jshen on Saturday May 08, 2021 @10:14PM (#27092582)
Right, so if you pick the absolute worst moment to buy, you still make a profit in 10 years. Sounds like a good bet to me, especially considering you have to live somewhere and pay rent or a mortgage.
Re:California population declines for first time in more tha... by refurb on Sunday May 09, 2021 @08:42PM (#27101386)
No, you’d break even after 10 years, actually less than even due to inflation. Then add on top maintenance, property taxes, opportunity cost of your down payment (market was up 107% over that period).

Again, not saying you can make good money but there is no reason why the opposite can’t happen.

Re:California population declines for first time in more tha... by jshen on Sunday May 09, 2021 @09:16PM (#27101631)
No one is saying it’s a sure thing, but the fact that you have to pick the absolute worst time, and it still is a positive return over ten years, really proves it’s a good bet.
Re:California population declines for first time in more tha... by jshen on Saturday May 08, 2021 @01:13PM (#27088973)
There are exceptions for sure, Detroit for example. But they are exceptions.

And yes, you need a ten year time horizon for the risk to be small. By 2014 the SF home prices were above the peak in 2007.