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Re:Why People Feel Like Victims by jakelazaroff on Friday May 07, 2021 @02:10AM (#27072788)
> Because “systemic racism” is a term used mostly by college educated white people for other college educated white people.

But we can agree that it exists, right? Whatever term you’d use, the phenomenon it describes is real. And it refers to present injustices as well as historical ones.

Re:Why People Feel Like Victims by rayiner on Friday May 07, 2021 @02:29AM (#27072910)
Many of the phenomena it describes are real, for sure, at least with respect to Black people. My Maryland county wasn’t desegregated until 1968, in my parents’ generation. That has produced statistical disparities that persist to this day.
Re:Why People Feel Like Victims by Klinky on Friday May 07, 2021 @02:48AM (#27073030)
Then what are you arguing? That it exists and doesn't exist at the same time?
Re:Why People Feel Like Victims by rayiner on Friday May 07, 2021 @07:33AM (#27074739)
I never said it doesn’t exist, I’m talking about how it’s taught to children in school.
Re:Why People Feel Like Victims by andi999 on Friday May 07, 2021 @04:58AM (#27073868)
I think he argues that it exists, but it is not relevant/does not deserve attention, because there are more important things (like prejudice).
Re:Why People Feel Like Victims by slowmovintarget on Sunday May 09, 2021 @02:05PM (#27098160)
The data don't support racism being the causes of the disparate outcomes. That makes it unreasonable to start with the assumption that the "system is racist."

If you want to understand why, I'd encourage you to read Discrimination and Disparities by Thomas Sowell.

Here's one example:

> These various facts might be summarized as examples of racism, so that the causal question is whether racism is either the cause, or one of the major causes, of poverty and other social problems among black Americans today. Many might consider the obvious answer to be "yes." Yet some incontrovertible facts undermine that conclusion. For example, despite the high poverty rate among black Americans in general, the poverty rate among black married couples has been less than 10 percent every year since 1994.

> The poverty rate of married blacks is not only lower than that of blacks as a whole, but in some years has also been lower than that of whites as a whole. In 2016, for example, the poverty rate for blacks was 22 percent, for whites was 11 percent, and for black married couples was 7.5 percent.

> Do racists care whether someone black is married or unmarried? If not, then why do married blacks escape poverty so much more often than other blacks, if racism is the main reason for black poverty? If the continuing effects of past evils such as slavery play a major causal role today, were the ancestors of today's black married couples exempt from slavery and other injuries?

The problem is the language around "systemic racism" cites outcomes as proof of preexisting conditions. That is, it asserts a tautology without presenting causal links, or ruling out other factors as causes.

When you do consider other factors, the detection of systemic racism collapses into one of point-stupidities (bad policies) and fairly ordinary economic forces not subject to racial choice. This is especially so when you start examining things like South Africa during apartheid (which was an example of systemic racism), or America at the turn of the 20th century.

There are a bundle of assumptions rolled up into that term that each merit discussion. If we're going to ever seriously talk about what behaviors and policies we should adopt, we ought to at least get the causes straight rather than leaping to the conclusion that "it" exists.