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Re:Ask HN: How to attract perm Snr Engs when the contract ma... by chartpath on Thursday May 06, 2021 @11:24AM (#27064635)
18 years experience here. I have recently converted to startup employee (again), giving up a lot of money in the contract market exclusively because I am motivated by the business case and have a deep respect for one of the founders, who is an actual domain expert and proven leader from the industry our customers are in.

What I find the most difficult, by far, is "coaching up". Coaching down and motivating junior and intermediate developers comes easy by leveraging the inherent mutual respect that craftspeople have for expert colleagues who are fair and supportive. But coaching up is really hard. Because it often requires convincing superiors with less technical understanding and experience in building teams.

In contract world, it is easier to be accountable for the Whole Project™ because that's how liability works and we have full power to get it done. As an employee who might have to report to nascent technical and product managers, that initiative can be perceived as stepping on toes, and can invite being thrown under the bus for their mistakes. I don't have a solution, but any company that can solve this issue and is good on the other material benefits should have no problem retaining talent IMHO.

Re:Ask HN: How to attract perm Snr Engs when the contract ma... by marcus_holmes on Thursday May 06, 2021 @12:41PM (#27065860)
This is my pain at the moment. My co-founder is new to startup but seems to think that because I can code, I should just focus on that. I've been working in startups for >10 years now, have run Startup Weekends, and have a bloody MBA. Trying to coach him on what should be happening with the marketing funnel is proving impossible.

If I was contracting I would be counting the money while watching them mess it up with a wry grin on my face.

Re:Ask HN: How to attract perm Snr Engs when the contract ma... by mstipetic on Friday May 07, 2021 @08:08AM (#27075006)
Why are you putting up with it then?
Re:Ask HN: How to attract perm Snr Engs when the contract ma... by marcus_holmes on Friday May 07, 2021 @10:26AM (#27076241)
This is a very good question, that I keep asking myself.

Mostly because loyalty and friendship, and the continual hope that it'll turn a corner soon.

But I've put a date on my willingness to tolerate this. If it doesn't turn a corner by July, I'm out.