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Re:UFOs shows government competence as either surprisingly h... by graderjs on Thursday May 06, 2021 @07:50AM (#27061834)
I'm with you on this. What I think is crazy tho is how ready and willing many people are to discount, absolutely discount and say, "well that is crazy" the experiences of so many people, who open themselves to ridicule and share some weird thing that happened. And these people are prepared to judge, discount, minimize and dismiss, these other human beings, because....it didn't personally happen to the person judging?

That seems incredibly ungenerous, and low empathy. Even for regular human behavior. So, why, in this case?

There's even more respect, in the main, between people of different religious faiths.

So why? Because some big "Authority Agency with Capital A" has not come out and told everyone, "It's OK, it's OK for you to think this is true now, because we can tell you, we checked, and it's True." Is it really driven by fear of stigma and lack of endorsement by authority? Are we really all living in the Earth-centric, pre-Galileo, dark ages?

The sad, and I think the crazy, thing is, yes, to some extent we are still living in that time, with regard to human mindset and the manipulability of people in large groups via narratives and authority. Even in this age, with all our progress, all our tech, all our ideas and discussions and connectedness.

Like why are we trusting all these theorists and commentators over the people who say they have experience?

A striking parallel I think is with the Time's Up / Me Too movement. It strikes me that we as a society, used to, and in many ways still do, treat survivor's of abuse, domestic and sexual violence as "crazy UFO nuts", who no matter how many come forward, often at great personal cost, to share their stories, and to try to establish some equality, healing and justice. Despite this, and despite the obvious reality that (Ca) there must be some reality behind all these stories and (Cb) not all of these people are simply delusional or making things up, people are so ready and willing to just discount them, and to listen to all the theorists and commentators discounting their experiences.

What I wonder is, how can we as a society do that, and how can the people who judge them do that, when we, and those people judging them, have no idea either way, but are ready to do so, to these other human beings who may be at one of their most vulnerable times. Even when multiple people corroborate their stories.

So while it's a different set of stories, our reaction, and lack of consideration for these brave people, is strikingly similar. To me at least. Maybe now's ripe for a Time's Up or Me Too movement for people who's stories of UFO encounters and ET contact have been dismissed, minimized, discounted and ridiculed for too long. No?

The other thing I think is crazy, is how so many of us are prepared to dig in a position on this topic where none of has really has any idea what's going on. Stake out a tiny circle of our own certainty and say, "Now, here is the truth. All those who doubt me, are clearly nuts." Why does this topic trigger such idiotic, low-empathy and crazy behavior from otherwise extremely logical, balanced and productive individuals?

Re:UFOs shows government competence as either surprisingly h... by zionic on Thursday May 06, 2021 @10:48AM (#27064053)
I think the sad reality is a sizable portion of the population is waiting for permission from mainstream sources before acknowledging the new reality.

The normalization campaign has already begun (2017 NY Times report) and the next big push is the June 2021 release.

Re:UFOs shows government competence as either surprisingly h... by graderjs on Thursday May 06, 2021 @10:54PM (#27071540)
Definitely agree with that.

Maybe all of this is just the government or the corporate interests trying to get out in front of this narrative because there's been a proliferation of speculation growing over the last couple of years and now they intend to go full bluebook style to try to put an end to that to try to control the narrative, and maybe, in line with that, they'll come out and say, look all of this stuff is either misinterpreted data or it's our own classified projects and we can say no more about it. In an attempt to shut down that speculation which is really started to get a major foothold in the mass consciousness.

Or maybe they're going to throw their arms up in the air and say we have no fucking idea what's going on, leaving the door slightly ajar for more information to come out in future.

I'm not optimistic we're going to see a big reveal, such as, these are the trading agreements we have with extraterrestrial civilizations and these are all the devices and recovered objects and craft we've reverse engineered and these are the different types of extra terrestrials that were aware of and oh by the way sorry for gaslighting you and intimidating witnesses over the last 60 years, and sorry for rubber stamping programs of alien genetic experimentation on Earth but please don't blame us the aliens twisted our arm. But you never know.

I actually think the government is basically like a pinata in this issue I think they're the ones that cop blame but I think that's by design I think the real movers and shakers behind all this have to be corporate interests some sort of corporate funded military industrial deep state that controls and utilizes this technology and information.

I think it's rather unfortunate that it's sort of the government's job to be The whipping boy and to take all the public blame and for everyone sort of blame the government for all their suppressing the technology but I don't think it's actually the government at all.

And I certainly don't buy the explanation that people simply couldn't handle it. I think it's much more likely that it's a cabal of corporate interests that simply wants to control this advantage and not have it sort of opened up. I think the sad reality is in this issue the government answers to those interests.

I think all of the narrative we have about this all of the stories of galactic civilizations all of the really detailed so-called whistleblower testimony I think it's all an elaborate mythological disinformation narrative crafted by the corporate interests that want to control whatever this phenomenon, technology and information is. and the more conflict there is between different groups, the more some people are true believers some people are true to bunkers, the better that is for the disinformation agents because that controlled opposition, that triggered conflict, gives them ample opportunities to control the narrative and protect their own interests.

After trying to absorb a lot of this information reflect on it and study things in this space the last couple of years that's one perspective I have that is pretty strong and compelling to me right now. I would love for it to be different so let's wait and see.