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Re:Apple deletes Steve Jobs's “Thoughts on Flash” by oblio on Thursday May 06, 2021 @05:24AM (#27060863)
> The act of keeping persistent data should be transparent to the user, via "download" (save to disk) and "upload" (load from disk) workflows.

That's horrible. If native apps would have to work like this to persist anything, instead of billions of users worldwide, they'd probably have 50-100x fewer users.

Re:Apple deletes Steve Jobs's “Thoughts on Flash” by ElFitz on Thursday May 06, 2021 @06:17AM (#27061171)
Except they already do, implicitly, at least for the download part.

Users actively go to their App Store and choose to download an app. They don’t just get something installed, or not, in some obscure part of their device’s storage, without ever knowing about it.

Re:Apple deletes Steve Jobs's “Thoughts on Flash” by hutzlibu on Thursday May 06, 2021 @06:32AM (#27061260)
"They don’t just get something installed, or not, in some obscure part of their device’s storage, without ever knowing about it. "

Like I said in the originally statement: it would be allright for me, if apple and everyone else, regulary deletes all local storage of any pwa's that haven't been installed. And I have read nowhere here in this thread, that anyone is in favor of PWA's sneakily installing.

Yes, it should be very clear and visible, when you install something. But that is for the browser/OS makers to implement and not the issue here.

Re:Apple deletes Steve Jobs's “Thoughts on Flash” by ElFitz on Friday May 07, 2021 @05:49AM (#27074139)
Yours is not the comment I was replying to.

Perhaps I misread, but the parent seems horrified at the idea that users should get to know they are downloading something and that such knowledge would supposedly ruin native apps adoption.

I was merely pointing out that it already is, albeit partially, the case, and yet said apps are quite popular.

Re:Apple deletes Steve Jobs's “Thoughts on Flash” by oblio on Thursday May 06, 2021 @08:23AM (#27062139)
Ummm... you need to act in order to turn a website/webapp into a local PWA. Why are you arguing against this strawman?
Re:Apple deletes Steve Jobs's “Thoughts on Flash” by ElFitz on Friday May 07, 2021 @05:42AM (#27074101)
Well, yes and no.

You can add any website to your home screen. Most behave like mere shortcuts.

Unless the web app chooses to tell you that doing so will make it persist on your device, there’s just no way for the average user to know ¯\_(ツ)_/¯