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Re:Lumber mania is sweeping North America by axaxs on Wednesday May 05, 2021 @09:24PM (#27058101)
Is it still considered inflation if it's rather temporary? I agree whole heartedly with your comment, was just curious about the terminology since inflation usually seems to imply a...longer term trend.
Re:Lumber mania is sweeping North America by prepend on Wednesday May 05, 2021 @09:32PM (#27058144)
Inflation is just the change over time. If you’re measuring a month or year it’s still inflation.

Trends in inflation are just that, trends. So it’s certainly possible to have high inflation for short periods.

Re:Lumber mania is sweeping North America by TOSSAWAY_1 on Wednesday May 05, 2021 @09:29PM (#27058125)
What evidence do you have that its temporary?
Re:Lumber mania is sweeping North America by axaxs on Thursday May 06, 2021 @12:05AM (#27059072)
Assumptions based on contributing factors. You had people more or less hold off on everything for a year, which tanked suppliers. Now that there's light at the end of the tunnel, everyone is buying making up for lost time, while supply hasn't recovered and realistically aren't going to double their capacity for what is seen as a short term spike.

With lumber prices where they're at, you'd see mills popping up like oil wells if they had any hope those were permanent increases.

Re:Lumber mania is sweeping North America by Loughla on Thursday May 06, 2021 @09:28AM (#27062886)
So it's anecdotal at best, but where I live, anyone with an old portable sawmill sitting in a barn collecting rust has been getting them out, cleaning them up, and have started sawing again. I'm talking people who retired 20-30 years ago, or people who bought property with a mill on it and have literally never used it.
Re:Lumber mania is sweeping North America by bidirectional on Thursday May 06, 2021 @06:01AM (#27061083)
Interest rates are near 0%. If inflation appears it can be combated incredibly easily.
Re:Lumber mania is sweeping North America by TOSSAWAY_1 on Thursday May 06, 2021 @10:44AM (#27064000)
Unless of course we've missed the time to raise them :)
Re:Lumber mania is sweeping North America by fnord77 on Wednesday May 05, 2021 @09:26PM (#27058112)
it's "supply shock" inflation. it is temporary.
Re:Lumber mania is sweeping North America by shockeychap on Wednesday May 05, 2021 @09:33PM (#27058150)
Do you really think there can be this much government-doled money, money printing, and wage raising without permanent inflationary consequences? I can’t hire anybody right now because so many people not working are getting more from unemployment than they would in a job. This is going to unwind at some point.
Re:Lumber mania is sweeping North America by DubiousPusher on Wednesday May 05, 2021 @09:38PM (#27058180)
Normally no but given the almost complete lack of inflation during the post financial crisis years, despite continuous predictions of its eminent arrival it's become a lot harder to say. It's honestly one of the big mysteries in contemporary economics.

It's possible this current wave of anecdotes of price increases is indicitive of a large wave of inflation. It's also possible it is just a short lived mismatch between the demand economy ticking on slightly before the supply economy does.

Re:Lumber mania is sweeping North America by lotsofpulp on Wednesday May 05, 2021 @09:50PM (#27058241)
> It's honestly one of the big mysteries in contemporary economics.

I assumed it was due to the increasing income/wealth gap. You have automation and cheaper labor from other countries reducing the price of labor for a substantial amount of people, seen in the lack of meaningful rise in wages for decades.

You also have the US splitting into very desirable areas seeing lots of increase in prices, but more of it seeing price decreases due to lack of demand. Concentration of businesses that offer higher paying job opportunities contributes here, as well as people’s preferences.

Re:Lumber mania is sweeping North America by imtringued on Thursday May 06, 2021 @02:52AM (#27059937)
Income/wealth gap is just a result of the increased savings rate in the corporate sector. There are a billion reasons but most of them are caused by an unwillingness if companies to invest their savings to grow the business.

If you don't employ anyone, the unemployed still have to eat which means corporate savings grow at the expense of the unemployed. Of course, investing your savings into growth is fine, because that will both employ people and net a return for your business.

Why aren't companies growing their business? One problem is that there is not enough consumer demand to justify it. Why is there not enough consumer demand? Because people are unemployed or underemployed. It's a vicious cycle.

Re:Lumber mania is sweeping North America by lotsofpulp on Thursday May 06, 2021 @05:28AM (#27060893)
>Income/wealth gap is just a result of the increased savings rate in the corporate sector.

I do not see the connection here. It seems more direct to say that the supply and demand curves for labor have shifted in such a way that the price of labor has gone down for the labor many people are selling.

>Of course, investing your savings into growth is fine, because that will both employ people and net a return for your business.

That’s one of those how to draw an owl things. Maybe if the whole country got behind it as an effort, it might work if properly executed. But one or a few companies doing it (without the caliber of organizations like Apple) are probably just going to end up with worse financials, and get punished for it by investors.

Re:Lumber mania is sweeping North America by imtringued on Thursday May 06, 2021 @02:29AM (#27059829)
Japan managed to have 30 years with unreasonably low inflation.

Remember, the purpose of that money printing is to add money back into the economy while various factors are removing it from the economy. By "economy" I primarily mean the productive part, namely businesses and workers doing work on behalf of a customer.

Somehow the money is not reaching the productive part of the economy. Of course that is changing in 2021, governments finally decided to hand out money directly to those who actually want to spend it and that is a good thing. If it works, then money printing no longer becomes necessary.

Re:Lumber mania is sweeping North America by andrepd on Thursday May 06, 2021 @01:55PM (#27066894)
If you are printing money why would you give it to banks and financial institutions, and not to the people themselves? (Assuming good-faith and not the obvious explanation, of course).
Re:Lumber mania is sweeping North America by ClumsyPilot on Wednesday May 05, 2021 @09:58PM (#27058285)
It seems to be all going into inflating house and stock prices, i am way more concerned about the asset bubble
Re:Lumber mania is sweeping North America by shockeychap on Thursday May 06, 2021 @09:44AM (#27063084)
I’m concerned both about an asset bubble and runaway inflation - the kind that destroys savings and triggers class mobility in the wrong direction.
Re:Lumber mania is sweeping North America by DubiousPusher on Wednesday May 05, 2021 @09:34PM (#27058155)
Right now I'd say we don't know what it is. We have some anecdotal evidence from various industries but until we get some updates from the wider indices used to track inflation there's probably not much point in speculation.