Canadians fly south for shot as US demand falls

Re:Canadians fly south for shot as US demand falls by whimsicalism on Wednesday May 05, 2021 @07:00PM (#27056940)

Australia has 9 doses per 100 compared to Canada's ~30. Based on your metric, Australia would be a failure.

Australia was a clear success case.

Number of deaths per capita should absolutely be the primary metric we are using to judge pandemic success.

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Re:Canadians fly south for shot as US demand falls by tick_tock_tick on Wednesday May 05, 2021 @07:06PM (#27057014)

With the vast majority of people who died in first world counties already being close to deaths door I don't think that's a good stat maybe something more like total estimated years of life lost.

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Re:Canadians fly south for shot as US demand falls by whimsicalism on Wednesday May 05, 2021 @07:09PM (#27057044)

Estimates for average life lost per covid death is around ~15 years. Sure, it killed plenty of old people, but it also killed plenty of middle aged/older middle aged people that had plenty of time left.

But I'll cede to you that YLL is also a good metric. When comparing two developed nations like Canada and US, most of the difference there will probably be explained by per capita deaths though.

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Re:Canadians fly south for shot as US demand falls by ryandrake on Wednesday May 05, 2021 @07:33PM (#27057271)

As someone getting up there in age, it's kind of shocking how cavalier a few people seem to be about old people dying from COVID. "Close to death's door?" Years of Life Lost as a measurement? Really? It's like we're living in Logan's Run. My parents are elderly but they might just live for 25 more years--who knows? If they or someone else's grandparents were to die of COVID it would be no less tragic than if a 30 year old died of it.

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Re:Canadians fly south for shot as US demand falls by whimsicalism on Wednesday May 05, 2021 @07:38PM (#27057323)

I don't think we should be cavalier about the deaths of elderly and I generally agree with you about the rhetoric, but I can't say I really agree about the "no less tragic" comment.

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Re:Canadians fly south for shot as US demand falls by refurb on Wednesday May 05, 2021 @08:23PM (#27057641)

I think the point is we have up to 80,000 flu deaths each year in the US. If Covid never happened and 80,000 people died of the flu nobody would bat an eye.

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Re:Canadians fly south for shot as US demand falls by raydev on Wednesday May 05, 2021 @10:43PM (#27058587)

Yes, because we knew how to deal with 80k. Suddenly we had to deal with 400k, which is a much larger number.

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Re:Canadians fly south for shot as US demand falls by maxerickson on Wednesday May 05, 2021 @10:07PM (#27058347)

You talk like the big ongoing campaign to increase flu vaccination rates is some sort of accident.

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Re:Canadians fly south for shot as US demand falls by jdhn on Wednesday May 05, 2021 @07:22PM (#27057181)

>Estimates for average life lost per covid death is around ~15 years

Source?

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Re:Canadians fly south for shot as US demand falls by whimsicalism on Wednesday May 05, 2021 @07:27PM (#27057228)

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-83040-3

I also saw a US specific article but can't find it off the top of my head.

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Re:Canadians fly south for shot as US demand falls by Tsarbomb on Wednesday May 05, 2021 @07:08PM (#27057028)

Not only are you 100% correct, but anyone thinking otherwise has the luxury of not being born poor or a minority based on how deaths are working out in first world countries.

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Re:Canadians fly south for shot as US demand falls by totony on Wednesday May 05, 2021 @07:04PM (#27056991)

>Australia has 9 doses per 100 compared to Canada's ~30.

I'm not sure what you are saying, doses of vaccines?

Number of deaths per capita don't take QoL into account over the period you analyze and the response's effect in the future.

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Re:Canadians fly south for shot as US demand falls by whimsicalism on Wednesday May 05, 2021 @07:11PM (#27057070)

Doses of vaccine, yes.

I'm curious, what QoL increase makes up for 400k additional deaths over Canada's number?

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Re:Canadians fly south for shot as US demand falls by totony on Wednesday May 05, 2021 @07:20PM (#27057161)

>Doses of vaccine, yes.

I have not claimed doses of vaccine to be a good metric.

>I'm curious, what QoL increase makes up for 400k additional deaths over Canada's number?

Who has 400k more?

You also have to take into account that policy differences do not solely explain the difference in death toll. Saying 400k more death over canada = canada good response is a reductionist view when there are other factors in play.

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Re:Canadians fly south for shot as US demand falls by whimsicalism on Wednesday May 05, 2021 @07:39PM (#27057335)

Okay, so what does explain the difference in death toll? I certainly don't think it is only policy diffferences.

> Who has 400k more?

If we had Canada's per capita rate, 400k fewer people would have died.

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Re:Canadians fly south for shot as US demand falls by totony on Wednesday May 05, 2021 @07:59PM (#27057464)

I am not familiar with Australia's response enough to give a conjecture on how good its policy is. Although I am familiar with Canada's response and (independently of death toll) think it was very suboptimal.

>I certainly don't think it is only policy diffferences.

And I agree with you, which is why I think using death toll as a single metric is a bad idea.

EDIT:

>If we had Canada's per capita rate, 400k fewer people would have died.

Even with the same policy as Canada, it is unlikely that the death toll would just transpose (it's a bad assumption, because policy doesn't define the death toll - it affects it)

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