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Re:Facebook's Trump ban upheld by Oversight Board, for now by erdaniels on Wednesday May 05, 2021 @11:49AM (#27051448)
They’re not though
Re:Facebook's Trump ban upheld by Oversight Board, for now by HarryHirsch on Wednesday May 05, 2021 @11:59AM (#27051607)
In many peoples' minds, Facebook is social media, in the way that Google is websearch. OK, if you won't/can't use Google there's Bing or DDG, but, seriously, what's the alternative to Facebook?
Re:Facebook's Trump ban upheld by Oversight Board, for now by krapp on Wednesday May 05, 2021 @02:40PM (#27053934)
>In many peoples' minds, Facebook is social media, in the way that Google is websearch.

This is a popular meme, but I'm not certain it's true. Given how many people use Twitter, Reddit, Tiktok, Twitch, Instagram, Discord, etc, it doesn't seem as if they're somehow also unaware that the rest of the web or alternative means of communication exist.

I mean, Donald Trump literally just started his own "social media platform," and his followers have been bouncing around right-wing "alternative" platforms for years. Not even the people primarily responsible for pushing the fear narrative around social media and it's "Orwellian" control of free speech really seem to be suffering under its hypothetical jackboot.

Re:Facebook's Trump ban upheld by Oversight Board, for now by HarryHirsch on Wednesday May 05, 2021 @02:48PM (#27054025)
This is a popular meme, but I'm not certain it's true. Given how many people use Twitter, Reddit, Tiktok, Twitch, Instagram, Discord, etc, it doesn't seem as if they're somehow also unaware that the rest of the web or alternative means of communication exist.

There's exactly one, maybe two of each for each type of media. Twitter for soundbits, Tiktok for video, Instagram for photo - in the past you had your choice of publishers. If one didn't like you you could go to another and at least get the message out. I'm seeing the concentration in the media market with great concern, it gives excessive power to shape opinion to a few magnates. The Trump ban is just a symptom.

Re:Facebook's Trump ban upheld by Oversight Board, for now by krapp on Wednesday May 05, 2021 @03:07PM (#27054253)
In the past, you had far less choice than you do now. There are literally hundreds of social media platforms on the web, not even counting the decentralized offerings like Mastodon and Diaspora. And Trump is proving that the tried and true model of just setting up your own site still works. Somehow, despite everyone claiming he's been memory-holed and erased like Stalin erased Trotsky, he seems to be doing just fine.

We seem to be living in different realities. Where you're seeing media concentrating, I'm seeing it fragmenting and diverge. The big social media silos are popular, but that popularity doesn't translate to control of the medium.

Re:Facebook's Trump ban upheld by Oversight Board, for now by nailer on Wednesday May 05, 2021 @11:57PM (#27059018)
Network effects make Mastodon and Diaspora irrelevant. Facebook is political discussion with your contacts., Twitter is public political discussion.
Re:Facebook's Trump ban upheld by Oversight Board, for now by krapp on Thursday May 06, 2021 @09:34AM (#27062974)
You're overstating the strength of network effects, political discussion happens everywhere.
Re:Facebook's Trump ban upheld by Oversight Board, for now by nailer on Thursday May 06, 2021 @10:08AM (#27063417)
I don’t think you understand what network effects mean. Of course discussion happens elsewhere. It is less valuable because those other networks have fewer nodes.
Re:Facebook's Trump ban upheld by Oversight Board, for now by krapp on Thursday May 06, 2021 @11:01AM (#27064244)
It isn't less valuable at the scale at which most human networks operate. People don't exclusively limit their online communications to one account on one platform, and most people aren't networking with millions of people at a time. If it were really impossible for effective political speech to exist outside of Facebook then Gab and Parler would never have been politically relevant for Trump supporters or the alt-right, when they demonstrably were.
Re:Facebook's Trump ban upheld by Oversight Board, for now by nailer on Thursday May 06, 2021 @11:40AM (#27064929)
People do limit their communications to valuable platforms. People do chose networks with significant populations. I’m not sure why you’d say otherwise but I suspect this isn’t going to be a valuable conversation so let’s end it here.