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Re:Why A.I. Moonshots Miss by rmah on Tuesday May 04, 2021 @12:50PM (#27039661)
Robots are everywhere. We just don't call them robots. We call them dishwashers, CNC machines, STM machines, automatic welders, fabric cutting machines, etc, etc.

Sort of like we already have flying cars. They're called "helicopters".

Re:Why A.I. Moonshots Miss by rexreed on Tuesday May 04, 2021 @01:05PM (#27039832)
When people think flying cars, they don't think of something without wheels that can only land in certain spots that requires years of training to operate that is significantly expensive to be outside of the reach of 99%.

They think of the car that anyone of legal driving age with a reasonable amount of money that anyone with some income can purchase.

No, helicopters are not flying cars. And no, dishwashers aren't what people would think of when they think of robots. Something that has a microprocessor in it isn't automatically a robot.

Re:Why A.I. Moonshots Miss by petra on Tuesday May 04, 2021 @01:29PM (#27040091)
Yes helicopters aren't flying cars.

But if a machine automates 90% of a process, like a dishwasher, why shouldn't it be considered like a robot, say a 90% robot?

Practically it does have the same effect.

Re:Why A.I. Moonshots Miss by tomp on Tuesday May 04, 2021 @02:24PM (#27040898)
A dishwasher is to a robot what a calculator is to a computer.
Re:Why A.I. Moonshots Miss by rhizome on Tuesday May 04, 2021 @03:38PM (#27041950)
By that token, how well can a Boston Dynamics dogbot clean your dishes?
Re:Why A.I. Moonshots Miss by generalizations on Tuesday May 04, 2021 @02:31PM (#27041013)
Which means that a robot is something that has a property similar to the property of 'turing completeness' in computers.
Re:Why A.I. Moonshots Miss by ALittleLight on Tuesday May 04, 2021 @03:29PM (#27041850)
Do you think of a washing machine or a dryer as a robot too?
Re:Why A.I. Moonshots Miss by petra on Tuesday May 04, 2021 @03:33PM (#27041883)
I think of them as machines that automated a certain task. So a robot substitute.
Re:Why A.I. Moonshots Miss by q-big on Tuesday May 04, 2021 @03:37PM (#27041931)
> When people think flying cars, they don't think of something without wheels that can only land in certain spots that requires years of training to operate that is significantly expensive to be outside of the reach of 99%.

You write down two points:

1. regulation

2. cost

"Regulation" is not an engineering problem, but a hard and deeply political one.

For "cost": When a lot of regulation comes down, the possible market size increases by a lot and it begins to make economic sense to invest lots of engineering ressources into cutting costs down by a lot (I do believe this is possible). Then helicopters will even perhaps transform into something that is much more akin to flying cars.

Re:Why A.I. Moonshots Miss by stcredzero on Tuesday May 04, 2021 @01:10PM (#27039875)
When people think flying cars, they don't think something without wheels that can only land in certain spots that requires years of training to operate that is significantly expensive to be outside of the reach of 99%.

I think if one eliminates the training requirement, reduces the cost, and increase the safety, then we don't need them to be road vehicles. Achieve the above, and we'll have flying taxis!

Re:Why A.I. Moonshots Miss by rexreed on Tuesday May 04, 2021 @01:14PM (#27039922)
If it weren't for many of the other problems of helicopters including convenience and noise.

How many helicopters will fit in an IKEA parking lot? And how many will be able to bring back whatever you buy there?

Extend that thought experiment a bit. You might be able to achieve the transportation of people in controlled circumstances, but not much else.

Re:Why A.I. Moonshots Miss by medium_burrito on Tuesday May 04, 2021 @02:27PM (#27040943)
You do realize small ducted fans are an order of magnitude louder than a helicopter, right? All those slick marketing videos omit that part.
Re:Why A.I. Moonshots Miss by melling on Tuesday May 04, 2021 @02:27PM (#27040947)
We probably don’t call a dishwasher a robot because it’s not

That is the only consumer facing device you mentioned. I know we have industrial robots, so I’ll skip debating where we draw the line.

Once we get to the Apple II of home robots, consumer spending will fuel the rapid development, and “robots”, will become more intelligent and agile

Re:Why A.I. Moonshots Miss by burnished on Tuesday May 04, 2021 @02:54PM (#27041383)
Not the person you responded to, but I think I see where they are coming from and agree: we don't call them robots because we are used to them and have a specific name. I don't see how they aren't robots, unless we are defining robots as having a specific kind of manipulator.
Re:Why A.I. Moonshots Miss by melling on Tuesday May 04, 2021 @03:04PM (#27041524)
Aren’t we discussing robots vs machines?

https://www.toyota.co.jp/en/kids/faq/i/01/01/

Re:Why A.I. Moonshots Miss by criddell on Tuesday May 04, 2021 @04:56PM (#27042797)
I think their point was that if the dishwasher was made so that mechanical hands picked up a dish, washed it, rinsed it, dried it, then set it aside before picking up the next dish and doing the same, we would call that a robot.
Re:Why A.I. Moonshots Miss by nitwit005 on Tuesday May 04, 2021 @08:45PM (#27044717)
The definition of a robot tends to be fairly fuzzy. If you look up the Websters definition (https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/robot), and ignore the first definition about being in human form, you get:

> a device that automatically performs complicated, often repetitive tasks (as in an industrial assembly line)

Which basically hinges on "complicated". I suspect most people wouldn't count a dishwasher, washing machine, etc.

Re:Why A.I. Moonshots Miss by khc on Tuesday May 04, 2021 @12:54PM (#27039722)
> Sort of like we already have flying cars. They're called "helicopters".

you cannot drive helicopters on the road, they are flying but not cars