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Re:We mailed one hundred letters to test the postal service by crispyambulance on Monday May 03, 2021 @10:26AM (#27025468)
> Commit to do the work necessary to turn it around.

Someone once wrote, years ago, a speculative piece about having the USPS take on a digital role as a kind of nationalized 3rd party identity authentication service. That seemed like a good idea to me. We could certainly use that and it's probably a better and more interesting business model than what currently provides them a huge amount of their revenue-- junk mail.

Re:We mailed one hundred letters to test the postal service by elliekelly on Monday May 03, 2021 @10:30AM (#27025531)
Whatever USPS is paid to deliver me junk mail I would gladly pay a premium to USPS for them to not deliver me junk mail. Of course as I say that I wonder just how much money USPS is paid to deliver junk mail to one person for a month? It's probably a lot more than I'd expect.
Re:We mailed one hundred letters to test the postal service by asoneth on Monday May 03, 2021 @11:07AM (#27026033)
In FY2019 the USPS earned $16.4 billion from marketing mail [1]. Estimating 121 million households that's ~$136 per household per year.

The households that might choose to spend $136 per year to avoid junk mail are probably wealthier than average and therefore more valuable to advertisers. So letting those households opt-out would also probably reduce the value of those that remain. As a wild guess I suspect they might might need to charge closer to ~$200/yr to be revenue neutral to the USPS.

Having said that there are cheaper options [2] and I don't think the USPS should have to resort to delivering ~41 pounds of unwanted junk to every citizen every year just to stay afloat.

[1] https://about.usps.com/what/financials/integrated-financial-... [2] https://www.paperkarma.com/

Re:We mailed one hundred letters to test the postal service by AH4oFVbPT4f8 on Monday May 03, 2021 @11:40AM (#27026481)
Wouldn't costs also go down since they're delivering less junk and only stopping at houses that have letters/bills/etc to deliver ?
Re:We mailed one hundred letters to test the postal service by asoneth on Monday May 03, 2021 @12:27PM (#27027073)
Good point -- I don't know how to estimate the marginal cost of delivering marketing mail but it's certainly not zero. Looking at the same USPS FY2020 financials [1] it looks like marketing mail constitutes a little more than half of the pieces they deliver. That about matches my experience. My guess is that several times a month I have a mailbox that contains solely marketing mail. I'm not sure how much money it would save the USPS if the mail carrier passes by my house without stopping on those days, but I suspect the bigger impact would be dealing with half the physical volume of mail for our household.

I still hope we can find a more sustainable path for the USPS than forcing them to stay alive by delivering something no one wants to receive.

[1] https://about.usps.com/what/financials/integrated-financial-...

Re:We mailed one hundred letters to test the postal service by c22 on Monday May 03, 2021 @05:26PM (#27030884)
I am almost 100% paperless with my affairs and nearly every single day I receive a mailbox solely filled with marketing mail.
Re:We mailed one hundred letters to test the postal service by josephmosby on Monday May 03, 2021 @04:14PM (#27030080)
No. USPS still has to stop by all of the houses anyway to pick up mail as well. So junk mail subsidizes the cost of going to all of those remote homes.
Re:We mailed one hundred letters to test the postal service by vageli on Monday May 03, 2021 @01:12PM (#27027765)
Sounds a solution, if one is already willing to pay to avoid receiving junk mail, would be to use a mail forwarding service and instruct them to discard junk mail if they do not already do so.
Re:We mailed one hundred letters to test the postal service by asoneth on Monday May 03, 2021 @01:50PM (#27028294)
I think it depends on why you want to avoid junk mail.

There's a lot of human effort and natural resources consumed in growing timber, cutting it down, shipping it, pulping it, printing it, mailing it, delivering it, recycling it, and pulping it again but into lower-quality product.

Whereas my only wasted labor is to skim through the mail as I walk from the mailbox to the house and then drop the junk into the bin by the door. In the grand scheme of things that part doesn't bother me except insofar as it reminds me of the useless waste of the rest of the lifecycle.

Re:We mailed one hundred letters to test the postal service by thrill on Monday May 03, 2021 @11:57AM (#27026707)
Nice "pursuit of happiness" you have going there. It'd be a shame if anything happened to bury it in junk mail unless you paid me a monthly fee.
Re:We mailed one hundred letters to test the postal service by rhexs on Monday May 03, 2021 @11:08AM (#27026051)
Why should you have to pay a national service to NOT deliver you junk mail? If your government isn’t serving you, why would you double down and assume additional funding will address the issue?
Re:We mailed one hundred letters to test the postal service by seanp2k2 on Monday May 03, 2021 @12:29PM (#27027100)
Totally agree, just for some reason it’s unfathomable in this country that there could be a government-provided service that runs at a loss because it’s something that everyone benefits from that needs to be a government service precisely because it couldn’t realistically run at a profit without, say, doing something really backwards, like physically spamming people with no way to opt out.

I’ll also point out that without junk mail, they could reduce OpEx quite a bit, and that should be factored into the equation as well. Package delivery services don’t stop at each address each day, and without junk mail, most households wouldn’t receive something in the mail each day. Same with trash collection — literally 95% of the mail we receive goes directly into bin, and I’m sure landfills are composed of a not-insignificant amount of junk mail. Excessive traffic and road wear from more mail delivery vehicles is probably less significant, but still caused by this. So, in addition to the environmental harm and annoyance of junk mail, the ridiculous situation we find in costs more than just the apparent “lost revenue” we’d have without it. It’s not like the government doesn’t spend way more per household per year on far lower value things than guaranteed physical mail delivery.

Imagine if politicians got national parks in their crosshairs, they were deemed not profitable enough, and the proposed solution was to start selling ad space in prominent outdoor locations, like Yosemite. Just picture Half Dome, with a nice fat “BROUGHT TO YOU BY XFINITY, HOME OF THE PACKAGE”.

Re:We mailed one hundred letters to test the postal service by Symbiote on Monday May 03, 2021 @02:35PM (#27028950)
Do you really receive junk every day?

In the UK, the cheap junk mailing rate allows Royal Mail to delay delivery for several days, to suit their schedule. They naturally batch it up. This is also appropriate for a lot of commercial non-junk mail.

In Denmark, it is delivered around once a week, probably with a similar system.

In both countries, I opted out of all junk mail. I receive a paper letter every 6 weeks or so.

Re:We mailed one hundred letters to test the postal service by mcshicks on Monday May 03, 2021 @10:33AM (#27025571)
There is a bill making its way (slowly) through congress on digital identity. But I don't think it has any provisions on USPS, but I think it mostly funds making recommendations.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-bill/8215...

Re:We mailed one hundred letters to test the postal service by throwaway_kufu on Monday May 03, 2021 @10:37AM (#27025622)
It may not be fully digital, but I believe I ordered my last passport in person at a local post office. Obviously they also took on a much greater role in this past presidential election with the increase in mail in ballots.
Re:We mailed one hundred letters to test the postal service by xkeysc0re on Monday May 03, 2021 @10:38AM (#27025639)
In a similar vein, Bernie Sanders and others have backed proposals for postal banking.
Re:We mailed one hundred letters to test the postal service by filoeleven on Monday May 03, 2021 @01:18PM (#27027862)
Lots of countries do or have done it, including the US from 1911 to 1967. Restoring it would destroy the payday lending industry, which IMO would be a good thing.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postal_savings_system

Re:We mailed one hundred letters to test the postal service by truth_ on Tuesday May 04, 2021 @02:45AM (#27034680)
India has very reliable Post Office banks. Although the interest rate is low, the money there is safe. It serves a huge amount of people, especially in rural areas and underprivileged people. Speed Post is very reliable as well.

> India has the largest Postal Network in the world with 154,965 Post Offices (as on 31.03.2017) of which 139,067 are in the rural areas. At the time of independence, there were 23,344 Post Offices, which were primarily in urban areas. Thus, the network has registered a seven-fold growth since Independence, with the focus of this expansion primarily in rural areas. On an average, a Post Office serves an area of 21.56 Sq. Km and population of 7753 people.

It also provides safe, steady jobs to a lot of people.