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Re:Microsoft bids $44.6B to buy Yahoo (2008) by menzoic on Monday May 03, 2021 @10:25AM (#27025456)
Google is well diversified. You even mentioned Youtube and Android. GCP isn't at the top but it's huge. Google docs/business suite is taking over, it's the goto for startups. They have a mobile carrier business. Self driving cars (although its dropping in valuation but they do have a large stake in Uber). Google is now Alphabet which it restructured into because of its diversification.

Small nit: FB wasnt public 10yrs ago but your point is valid either way.

Re:Microsoft bids $44.6B to buy Yahoo (2008) by ReggieCommaRose on Monday May 03, 2021 @10:33AM (#27025576)
Google is well diversified in its business endeavors but hasn't been capitalize on that for a better diversified revenue stream.
Re:Microsoft bids $44.6B to buy Yahoo (2008) by scarface74 on Monday May 03, 2021 @11:10AM (#27026081)
How else do you measure whether it is successfully diversifying if not by revenue or more importantly profitability?

Contrast Google with Apple. Even though the iPhone is 60% of Apple’s business, last time I checked, the Mac business alone would put its revenue well within the top 100 companies.

Re:Microsoft bids $44.6B to buy Yahoo (2008) by ReggieCommaRose on Monday May 03, 2021 @11:24AM (#27026286)
That was my point - that Google isn’t ACTUALLY well diversified compared to its contemporaries.
Re:Microsoft bids $44.6B to buy Yahoo (2008) by scarface74 on Monday May 03, 2021 @10:58AM (#27025866)
According to public records that came out during the Oracle lawsuit, Android had only made $22 billion in profit from its inception through the time of discovery (2016). Which is really nothing overall.

https://www.theverge.com/2016/1/21/10810834/android-generate...

On the other hand, it’s reported that Google pays Apple $12 billion a year to be the default search engine on Apple devices.

Apple makes a lot more from Google on mobile than Google makes from Android.

Andy Jassy, the CEO of AWS, has said in plenty of public statements that only 4% of all enterprise IT spend is on any cloud provider. GCP is in a distant third.

Re:Microsoft bids $44.6B to buy Yahoo (2008) by LunaSea on Monday May 03, 2021 @10:35AM (#27025597)
Youtube is a net loss and GCP has a 4.6% market share so I wouldn't really count this as diversified since very little of their overall revenue comes out of these two projects?

Google docs / business is interesting but I'm not sure they make much money out of it and are scatting on the freemium tier success.

Re:Microsoft bids $44.6B to buy Yahoo (2008) by utopcell on Monday May 03, 2021 @11:59AM (#27026722)
YouTube is a net loss ? Where is that coming from ? It brought in $6BN revenue just in Q1 [1].

[1] https://abc.xyz/investor/static/pdf/2021Q1_alphabet_earnings...

Re:Microsoft bids $44.6B to buy Yahoo (2008) by scarface74 on Monday May 03, 2021 @12:15PM (#27026925)
“Revenue” is not the same as “profit”

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/03/google-still-isnt-telling-us...

Re:Microsoft bids $44.6B to buy Yahoo (2008) by utopcell on Monday May 03, 2021 @01:22PM (#27027920)
The question stands: Where is the "net loss" statement coming from ?
Re:Microsoft bids $44.6B to buy Yahoo (2008) by scarface74 on Monday May 03, 2021 @01:44PM (#27028212)
Whether it’s a net loss or barely profitable, it still doesn’t move the needle as far as Google’s income.

Even if it did - it is still mostly search advertising. That’s not diversification.

Re:Microsoft bids $44.6B to buy Yahoo (2008) by ec109685 on Monday May 03, 2021 @09:26PM (#27033078)
Where does the doubt about its profitability come from?
Re:Microsoft bids $44.6B to buy Yahoo (2008) by scarface74 on Monday May 03, 2021 @10:03PM (#27033294)
From most analysts. Once they pay creators, bandwidth and storage.
Re:Microsoft bids $44.6B to buy Yahoo (2008) by utopcell on Monday May 03, 2021 @02:42PM (#27029023)
Search revenue was $31,879 billion in Q1 and YT revenue was $6,005 billion. It doesn't seem like you're paying attention.
Re:Microsoft bids $44.6B to buy Yahoo (2008) by scarface74 on Monday May 03, 2021 @03:17PM (#27029472)
You’re still conflating “profit” with “revenue”. No one is doubting that YouTube’s revenue is substantial. There is doubt that it’s profit is substantial. If it isn’t contributing any meaningful profit to Google’s bottom line, it isn’t successful.
Re:Microsoft bids $44.6B to buy Yahoo (2008) by mmmmmbop on Monday May 03, 2021 @07:57PM (#27032445)
Would you say that Uber, Lyft, Spotify, and Tesla are all unsuccessful companies?
Re:Microsoft bids $44.6B to buy Yahoo (2008) by scarface74 on Monday May 03, 2021 @09:08PM (#27032957)
Is this really a serious question? The success of a for profit company is defined by “profitability”.

Spotify - like Jobs said about DropBox, they are a feature not a product. Most of their revenue goes back to the record labels. Their gross margins are slim

Uber - is losing billions and it’s unit economics isn’t good.

Lyft - See Uber

Tesla - it’s “profits” aren’t from selling cars.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/31/investing/tesla-profitability...

Re:Microsoft bids $44.6B to buy Yahoo (2008) by mmmmmbop on Tuesday May 04, 2021 @06:41AM (#27036036)
It was indeed a serious question. Thank you for your answer.

I disagree with the notion that the success of a for-profit company is solely defined as "profitability". Factors such as growth or value are also often cited as success criteria. I couldn't find literature supporting your statement that profitability is the only measure of company success.

Intuitively, it also seems wrong to me to claim that a children's lemonade stand netting $10 in profit is a more successful business than Tesla.

Re:Microsoft bids $44.6B to buy Yahoo (2008) by scarface74 on Tuesday May 04, 2021 @09:35AM (#27037391)
How can a company be sustainable if it continuously loses more money than it brings in?

If I sold a bunch of dollars for 95 cents, my revenue would be astronomical. But does that make it a sound business model?

Which is a better business model? An Indy writer with 3000+ people charging $100 a year for a newsletter (Ben Thompson/Stratechery) or a multi million dollar news organization employing dozens of people with higher revenue losing millions per quarter?

Re:Microsoft bids $44.6B to buy Yahoo (2008) by utopcell on Tuesday May 04, 2021 @01:21PM (#27039999)
The startup model is all about exponential increase of the user base. For example, Amazon was running at little to zero profit until 2015 [1]. Google and Facebook added ads years after they became extremely popular.

What you're saying makes perfect sense to me though.

[1] https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/AMZN/amazon/net-in...

Re:Microsoft bids $44.6B to buy Yahoo (2008) by scarface74 on Tuesday May 04, 2021 @11:01PM (#27045708)
Once you go public, you can no longer call yourself a “startup”. All of the companies mentioned were public.

Facebook was profitable before they went public. The main reason they went public if I remember correctly, is because they had more than 500 shareholders and it made it more difficult to stay private.

As far as Amazon, Amazon wasn’t GAAP profitable. But it did have positive cash flow and was investing in infrastructure. The companies mentioned above have very slim to no marginal profit. They are literally selling dollars for 95 cents.

Re:Microsoft bids $44.6B to buy Yahoo (2008) by scarface74 on Monday May 03, 2021 @11:03AM (#27025959)