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Re:Bob Cassette Rewinder: Hacking Detergent DRM by environment on Sunday May 02, 2021 @08:51AM (#27014848)
For my own dishwasher I’m using a mix of Potassium hydroxide (Potash), Sodium hypochlorite (Bleach) and Sodium tripolyphosphate (Phosphates). This is strong stuff, so make sure hoses/tubes, seals and connections are compatible if anyone wants to try this.

Instead of rinse aid I’m using a 50% citric acid/water solution. The final rinse is at 85c or 185f. The stuff dries instantly. A built in fan/condensation system prevents moisture inside and outside the machine. I’m using two commercial grade peristaltic pumps for the chemicals. I have also considered an enzyme pre-wash; Protease and Amylase. The diswasher is commercial grade, but the racks and operation is just like a normal household dishwasher.

Drinking glasses come out spotless. Rinse Aid is not necessary. I hold them up to the sunlight for inspection and I see nothing.

Re:Bob Cassette Rewinder: Hacking Detergent DRM by bittercynic on Sunday May 02, 2021 @09:14AM (#27015003)
I'd be interested in reading more about this setup if you ever do a write up.
Re:Bob Cassette Rewinder: Hacking Detergent DRM by environment on Monday May 03, 2021 @08:38AM (#27024266)
I will try to make a video or write about this sometime :) The feedback would be helpful and I care about people having an ideal dishwashing machine that operates with the least cognitive load.
Re:Bob Cassette Rewinder: Hacking Detergent DRM by vxNsr on Sunday May 02, 2021 @11:41AM (#27016186)
Yes please share what country you’re in and what equipment you use? This is very interesting.

I’ve come to the conclusion that buying “consumer” or even “prosumer” appliances is a lost cause, all the brands use the same 3 white label Chinese manufacturers and you get the same quality no matter what you buy, you can expect to be shopping for a new appliance in <5 years time.

I’m hopeful that commercial appliances aren’t yet at that stage, you end up paying a significant premium but you save in time and lost effort when you don’t have to deal with buying a new one so soon.

Re:Bob Cassette Rewinder: Hacking Detergent DRM by TaylorAlexander on Sunday May 02, 2021 @07:03PM (#27019889)
> I’ve come to the conclusion that buying “consumer” or even “prosumer” appliances is a lost cause, all the brands use the same 3 white label Chinese manufacturers and you get the same quality no matter what you buy, you can expect to be shopping for a new appliance in <5 years time.

In general that's very true across industry now. For more information on this white labeling phenomenon this documentary is great:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeTgLKNb5R0

Re:Bob Cassette Rewinder: Hacking Detergent DRM by environment on Monday May 03, 2021 @10:21AM (#27025412)
>country and equipment.

Norway. Asko DWC5926 (DWC5926W). Seko PR-4 and PR-1.

This is the short version. There are some issues and fixes you should be aware of. Like how to fix a design fault at a circulation pump wire. There is also an easier way to rewire the machine from 3 phase to single phase if you’re doing that. Generally the Asko machine is a unicorn. You can also look at the Miele professional dishwashers that come with automatic dosing systems and sanitizing rinse.

Re:Bob Cassette Rewinder: Hacking Detergent DRM by mikro2nd on Monday May 03, 2021 @03:21AM (#27022490)
I'd drop the bleach if your dishwasher has stainless steel interior walls. Chlorine is hostile to stainless steel, causing pits in the oxidised surface of the metal, resulting in corrosion.
Re:Bob Cassette Rewinder: Hacking Detergent DRM by environment on Monday May 03, 2021 @08:35AM (#27024249)
>bleach and stainless steel Thank you for pointing that out. I was worried about Bleach corroding stainless steel inside and outside the dishwasher. Bleach has serious issues related to being used in a dishwasher and in general. I can’t find good information about Bleach in my digitized dishwasher notes. I know that I paused until I had resolved these issues. Corrosion of stainless steel worried me the most. If I can’t find better notes or remember why I was convinced; then I will have to stop using Bleach.