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Re:Elevator Sabbath service mode (SHO) by bradrn on Saturday May 01, 2021 @09:24PM (#27011547)
> What’s the meaning of „the Sabbath prohibition against operating electrical devices“? Not executing a physical action? Any action? Intent?

My understanding as a Jew (though not Orthodox) is that you are forbidden from manually turning electrical devices on and off, and from altering the behaviour of a running device. So if you, say, accidentally turn on a stove just before the Sabbath starts, you then cannot turn it off until the Sabbath ends (or you get a non-Jew to do it for you).

> An elevator that cycles between floors and one that only moves to a floor to pick up a passenger when they wait in front of the door might be indistinguishable from the perspective of the user. Would the difference matter?

IANA rabbi, but I suspect this does indeed matter. In the former case the elevator is just doing the same thing over and over again, while in the latter case the user is actively controlling the elevator.

> What about showing the intent to exit the elevator at a particular floor by e.g. taking a step towards the door of the cabin and having the elevator detect that?

Again, I suspect this would be forbidden.

Re:Elevator Sabbath service mode (SHO) by lebuffon on Saturday May 01, 2021 @09:40PM (#27011644)
Hmmm... Never thought of this before. Does this mean that in future an electric AI shabos goy (gentile assistant for things like the stove problem) could not be Kashrut (Kosher) since giving it commands could close electric circuits?
Re:Elevator Sabbath service mode (SHO) by rtkwe on Saturday May 01, 2021 @09:59PM (#27011744)
Far from a Rabbinic expert but from what I've read it shouldn't be Kosher because you're still initiating the action with the intent of performing something that's otherwise forbidden to do directly, the method of operation for the assistant doesn't really factor in.
Re:Elevator Sabbath service mode (SHO) by TchoBeer on Saturday May 01, 2021 @09:53PM (#27011720)
Yeah obviously an electronic shabbat goy is prohibited.
Re:Elevator Sabbath service mode (SHO) by vxNsr on Saturday May 01, 2021 @10:25PM (#27011853)
There is a discussion about whether you can use Alexa/Siri/HG on Shabbat.
Re:Elevator Sabbath service mode (SHO) by benchaney on Sunday May 02, 2021 @01:47AM (#27012630)
Is there? Among who? I'm not aware of anyone who keeps Shabbat who uses voice activated electronics.
Re:Elevator Sabbath service mode (SHO) by bscphil on Sunday May 02, 2021 @03:06AM (#27012961)
One of the top comments in the article currently is by jedberg, who says in another comment that he went to Hebrew school. He discusses using Alexa as a Shabbat "hack": https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27012719
Re:Elevator Sabbath service mode (SHO) by benchaney on Sunday May 02, 2021 @03:37AM (#27013092)
Fair enough, although not everyone who went to Hebrew school keeps Shabbat.

I will say, for the sake of combating misinformation about Judaism, that people who keep Shabbat traditionally, but also use voice activated technology on Shabbat are extremely rare, if they exist at all. I have never heard of someone who actually adheres to this practice despite living in a community that is on the extreme liberal end of Shabbat observant Jews[0].

[0] Which is where you would expect this to happen if it actually did.

Re:Elevator Sabbath service mode (SHO) by vxNsr on Sunday May 02, 2021 @03:32AM (#27013069)
Going to Hebrew school doesn’t make one orthodox.
Re:Elevator Sabbath service mode (SHO) by vxNsr on Sunday May 02, 2021 @03:31AM (#27013065)
I think the consensus is “no” but there is a discussion bec it’s closer to hinting at something than doing it directly.
Re:Elevator Sabbath service mode (SHO) by benchaney on Sunday May 02, 2021 @03:48AM (#27013152)
I ask again, discussion among who?

If someone reading this keeps Shabbat traditionally and uses voice activated technology on Shabbat (or knows someone who does), please speak up. I would like to hear about your practice. Otherwise, I would prefer to avoid giving the impression that this is a position that anyone holds. There is far too much misinformation present in this thread already.

Re:Elevator Sabbath service mode (SHO) by vxNsr on Sunday May 02, 2021 @10:34AM (#27015652)
Bro, idk, I listened to a shiur where it was brought up, I’m not about to go searching through Rav Schecters musser shmuzen for you.