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Re:Piano teacher gets copyright claim for Beethoven’s Moonli... by chrismorgan on Saturday May 01, 2021 @11:17AM (#27006966)
Every time that I’m speaking of it was the melody that was being claimed, not a specific recording.
Re:Piano teacher gets copyright claim for Beethoven’s Moonli... by maweki on Saturday May 01, 2021 @11:20AM (#27006989)
I understand that that is what was claimed.

I said that two actual and copyrightable performances of the same melody are arguably indistinguishable.

Edit: How would an automated system know, that you did not just non-transformatively alter another person's performance, instead of performing yourself?

Re:Piano teacher gets copyright claim for Beethoven’s Moonli... by chrismorgan on Saturday May 01, 2021 @11:46AM (#27007211)
I have gained the impression that YouTube has two distinct techniques within Content ID, one for claiming melodies, and another for claiming specific recordings.

I’m absolutely confident that this is doing melody matching: these recordings are trivially distinguishable from any professional performance, with completely different instruments and playing styles, and with much lower quality singing.

For example, the most repeated claim was by “AdRev Publishing”, claiming “Crimond (The Lord's My Shepherd) - FirstCom” three times. (That song was also claimed once by “Capitol CMG Publishing and Adorando Brazil” as “The Lord's My Shepherd I'll Not Want”.) The first two times, I was accompanying with a piano-sound keyboard in the traditional four-part harmony—admittedly they sound fairly similar to one another; but in the third, an Indian was playing, using a piano-and-strings sound on a different keyboard, using Indian harmonisation (which is quite different).

I think we even had an unaccompanied song claimed once, matching throwaway0b1’s report.

These are completely different performances from whatever recordings the liars may have provided to the Content ID system. The melody is the only thing they will have in common.

Re:Piano teacher gets copyright claim for Beethoven’s Moonli... by teach on Saturday May 01, 2021 @01:40PM (#27008167)
My experience aligns with yours. I had a video of a half-hour coffee-shop-style gig blocked because at one point I covered "Hotel California". This was just me -- one voice, one acoustic guitar played poorly, and was down a whole step from the original key.
Re:Piano teacher gets copyright claim for Beethoven’s Moonli... by rocqua on Saturday May 01, 2021 @06:42PM (#27010552)
I believe that Hotel California is still under protection as a melody, rather than a performance. Hence covers require either a license or fair use according to law. This differs a lot from the case of performing a 200 year old song whose melody is in the public domain.

Not to say it was wrong what you did, or that Google was in the right for flagging. But Google was legally correct.

(Google suggests controversy around the question of whether hotel California is public domain or not)

Re:Piano teacher gets copyright claim for Beethoven’s Moonli... by ncallaway on Saturday May 01, 2021 @05:37PM (#27010097)
> How would an automated system know, that you did not just non-transformatively alter another person's performance, instead of performing yourself?

Yes, exactly. You have really nailed the problem with the current system.

Google chose to build an automated system. That was a choice, not an immutable fact. Google chose not to have a human arbitration process. Another choice. Google chooses not to punish the claimants that abuse the system. Another choice, not an immutable fact.

People aren't saying there must be a perfect automated system. People are saying Google has chosen to employ an automated system that does not meet the actual needs.

The criticism is for Google choosing to exclusively use an automated system, which can never successfully perform this task.

Re:Piano teacher gets copyright claim for Beethoven’s Moonli... by rocqua on Saturday May 01, 2021 @06:35PM (#27010507)
Ideally, the easy cases are automated, and more difficult cases like these are not. Hence, the system would know because of an actual DMCA request, rather than an automated YouTube request.