It very much depends on the definition of breakdown. Some people see a breakdown if hospitals run out of beds, others will pretty much never accept there is a breakdown in health care because it’s contrary to their conviction that COVID-19 is ‘just a flu’. To be fair, it’s a continuum, there’s not going to be an easily agreed fine line between broken down and not broken down. So the real question is, what constitutes the health care system breaking down, and did that happen in NY.

Without agreement on that though, we’re just shouting at each other.