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Re:India’s second wave of Covid-19 feels nothing like its first by 0xmohit on Saturday May 01, 2021 @04:00AM (#27004316)
This sums it up:

India’s devastating second wave was fuelled by a series of crowded events, including mass rallies addressed by Prime Minister Narendra Modi [0].

> Fuelling the catastrophe was a series of crowded events, like mass rallies by politicians such as Prime Minister Narendra Modi, religious holidays and pilgrimages on the Ganges river.

> As governing Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) ministers, including Modi, touted victory over the virus, people relaxed their vigilance and stopped wearing masks and maintaining social distancing.

[0] https://www.aljazeera.com/gallery/2021/4/29/indias-deadly-vi...

Re:India’s second wave of Covid-19 feels nothing like its first by kumarvvr on Saturday May 01, 2021 @10:22AM (#27006531)
I would not really take AlJazeera as a un-biased source. For one, in the article above, it mentions the massive rallies by the ruling party, BJP, but does not mention anything about rallies by other political parties, like Congress, TMC and others.

A google search highlights only rallies of BJP.

I found only 1 site that talks about other rallies.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/all-bengal-rallies...

Re:India’s second wave of Covid-19 feels nothing like its first by dagmx on Saturday May 01, 2021 @12:06PM (#27007373)
If you're claiming AlJazeera is biased and then linking the Hindustan Times, then I question your perception of bias.

For an American audience, this would be like saying MSNBC is biased, here's an article by Newsmax or OANN.

Re:India’s second wave of Covid-19 feels nothing like its first by malshe on Saturday May 01, 2021 @08:43PM (#27011320)
For all practical purposes Al Jazeera is Fox News. Who takes them seriously in the US?
Re:India’s second wave of Covid-19 feels nothing like its first by strategyanalyst on Saturday May 01, 2021 @06:13AM (#27004991)
Modi is responsible, but not due to rallies and religious festivals. Surge in cases weren't related to these events.

The trend lines were rising a month ago and government was waiting for someone sort of miracle to change its direction.

No one really knows why cases in India fell to such low numbers and why they increased suddenly.

Re:India’s second wave of Covid-19 feels nothing like its first by intended on Saturday May 01, 2021 @07:38AM (#27005432)
I want to add that the overall chart shows that there was a small bump in, an uptick around 19th feb. However this trend was only actionable in a better data oriented environment.

People explained away or ignored that small bump.

Re:India’s second wave of Covid-19 feels nothing like its first by ahurmazda on Saturday May 01, 2021 @12:30PM (#27007587)
Just in case, here is Arundhati Roy in her own words[1]. She is one the brightest activist voices from India. She paints a haunting tale of what’s been happening in the past year and beyond leading us to today.

  > “Let’s try and not be a cry baby.” — Tushar Mehta, India’s solicitor general, speaking for the government of India
[1]https://www.theguardian.com/news/2021/apr/28/crime-against-h...
Re:India’s second wave of Covid-19 feels nothing like its first by bluzeee on Saturday May 01, 2021 @05:09AM (#27004649)
It is very unfortunate that a single guy using one single resource is creating a false narrative about an entire country and is misusing this forum to spread false narrative. While even scientists are puzzled on the cause [0], a few like the above commenter for sure knows the causes conclusively

India unlike U.S. and other western countries needs more careful analysis due to its diverse nature, larger informal economy and lack of proper data collection practices. Any simple attribution like the commenter is doing is simply false narrative

1. Anyone who has been tracking India covid cases closely knows, the most affected and contributing (72%) states for the second wave have been Maharastra and Kerala [0]

2. And, as second wave picked-up just 6 states contributed to 86.37% of new Covid-19 cases as per the data tracking [1]

3. Why did it spike in Maharastra ? Read [3] & [4] Importantly note the point on variant "This surge has started from Vidarbha, and it is hard to believe that mutant variants didn’t have a role to play"

4. Now, lets talk about variant found [4] "Two leading experts recently contended that a new coronavirus mutant strain was reportedly detected in Amravati, Yavatmal, and Akola, all in the Vidarbha region in the eastern part of the state"

5. Above comment talks about religious event which is kumbh mela which took happened in Haridwar, Uttarakhand state. Do you see the state in any of the listed states contributing to the raise ? No. Let's put today's status, is that state even in the top: 10 [5]

6. And do you know you need a permit and negative covid test report to participate in this religious event ? [6]

7. He talks about Narendra modi rallies. Seriously ? He took rallies in the states where elections being conducted by Indian election commission, like all all other political parties he has to support his party. This is saying like Biden cannot take election rally while Trump goes on giving daily speeches. Importantly, do you see the state of Westbengal where election allies happened in the top ?

8. As Maharastra went into curfew, poor migrant labor mainly from Bihar and UP and people from other states rushed back home and there is no data how this might have affected

9. Did BJP declare victory over virus ? Yes. But there is no scientific or data based attribution of spike Or the commenters indirect attribution of peoples laxity and not wearing masks to victory declaration is misguiding

[0] https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/indias-massive-co...

[1] https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/coronavirus-updates-f...

[2] https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/6-states-contribut...

[3] https://indianexpress.com/article/explained/explained-why-is...

[4] https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/maharashtra-hits-1...

[5] https://www.business-standard.com/article/current-affairs/ne...

[6] https://www.covid19india.org/

[7] https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/kumbh-2021-limited-to-30-day...

Re:India’s second wave of Covid-19 feels nothing like its first by intended on Saturday May 01, 2021 @07:44AM (#27005469)
This is a narrative to protect a naked emperor.

The vidarbha strain is also spread through out the country, and its not like the same mutations cannot appear elsewhere independently.

The most populous state in India, UP, with 220 mn people, the worst medical infrastructure has better numbers than maharashtra. However having a Chief Minister who has gone ahead and threatened people for asking for help and even arresting/threatening journalists.

This was a preventable apocalypse. Modi spent all of last year talking about how India is self sufficient and we are magnanimously helping other nations.

The promoted cow urine, homeopathy and naturopathy when those resources could have been used last year.

The Major religious events were brought forward. When 8 phases of elections were allowed and the opposition asked for shorter elections, the BJP was the one who objected.

The data has been intentionally fudged to leave governments, local and central looking better and the most partisan calculus has been at play when the center decides who gets help in the states.

Re:India’s second wave of Covid-19 feels nothing like its first by sinyug on Saturday May 01, 2021 @09:22AM (#27006093)
> When 8 phases of elections were allowed and the opposition asked for shorter elections, the BJP was the one who objected.

The 2011 elections were held in 6 phases.[1]

The 2016 elections were held in 6-7 phases.[2]

Why should it be any different this year?

If everyone was so concerned about the pandemic, they should have requested that president's rule be declared in Bengal till the pandemic is over.

Every Indian knows how violent Bengal elections generally are[3] and how voters are intimidated. Hundreds of BJP political workers have been terrorized and murdered in Bengal over the last few years.[4]

When it comes to the Bengal elections, COVID is just an excuse. Shorter elections with reduced security is a nice way to murder democracy.

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_West_Bengal_Legislative_A...

2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_West_Bengal_Legislative_A...

3. https://www.thequint.com/news/politics/polling-advances-in-b...

> Taking advantage of this slackness, some state police personnel and TMC supporters became active in pressuring rural voters and taking recourse to unfair means. The most serious incident of TMC intimidation occurred in Shalboni’s Adharnayan villages where about 100-150 ruling party activists attacked some journalists and the CPI(M) candidate Shaymsundar Pande.

> According to reports, the TMC goons beat up Pande and the media persons, snatched away the camera of one news channel, damaged vehicles and tried to set fire to a few parked vehicles. The reports alleged that CPMF jawans stood by without taking action against the TMC cadres. Despite repeated appeals to rescue the journalists, the jawans did not move.

> Additional reports suggested that in Nayagram area under West Medinipur constituency TMC workers threatened villagers with dire consequences if they dared to leave their homes to cast their vote. The villagers complained that since they were BJP supporters they were ordered by the TMC workers and state police personnel not to leave their homes. The BJP candidate there was also similarly threatened by them. In Taldangra, Bankura, a state police assistant sub-inspector was seen taking bribes inside a polling booth.

4. https://indianexpress.com/article/india/amit-shah-in-west-be...

Re:India’s second wave of Covid-19 feels nothing like its first by intended on Saturday May 01, 2021 @12:03PM (#27007352)
There wasn’t a pandemic in those years.
Re:India’s second wave of Covid-19 feels nothing like its first by indian1947 on Saturday May 01, 2021 @06:07AM (#27004958)
> 7. He talks about Narendra modi rallies. Seriously ? He took rallies in the states where elections being conducted by Indian election commission, like all all other political parties he has to support his party. This is saying like Biden cannot take election rally while Trump goes on giving daily speeches. Importantly, do you see the state of Westbengal where election allies happened in the top ?

Yes he was not the only one conducting mass rallies but as the leader of the nation, was it not his responsibility to set an example in the country's fight against covid? Should we not hold the Prime Minister to a higher standard? Yes, every party held mass rallies and shame on all of them - it does not excuse Modi though.

He has a termendous fan following in India ready to do what he says (lighting lamps, clanging vessels) - he just does seem to be able to channel that devotion into something positive.

Re:India’s second wave of Covid-19 feels nothing like its first by mandis on Saturday May 01, 2021 @05:46AM (#27004852)
>6. And do you know you need a permit and negative covid test report to participate in this religious event ? [6]

We dont have capacity to test the number of people who were attending the Kumbh mela daily. 10k tests may be the capacity appx, while appx 10 million people will be attending over a month.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/over-9-1-million-p...

Please understand India as reported by media is way different from the ground reality.

https://www.downtoearth.org.in/news/health/kumbh-amid-covid-...

Re:India’s second wave of Covid-19 feels nothing like its first by mohanmcgeek on Saturday May 01, 2021 @06:24AM (#27005045)
> We dont have capacity

By we, do you mean you personally? Or do you have the entire state machinery reporting to you.

You keep talking about ground reality. You mostly seem to be adding to the chaos.

Maybe when all this is over, have the government setup a commission to investigate negligence, profiteering and other acts but how exactly are you helping anyone by spreading more panic

Re:India’s second wave of Covid-19 feels nothing like its first by indian1947 on Saturday May 01, 2021 @06:00AM (#27004929)
> 6. And do you know you need a permit and negative covid test report to participate in this religious event?

Well if this were true, how were hundreds of people there found to be infected [0]? In any case, there was absolutely no need to allow it at a critical time like this. We're probably very lucky that the event did not end in absolute catastrophe, like it very well could have.

[0] https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-56742231

Re:India’s second wave of Covid-19 feels nothing like its first by mandis on Saturday May 01, 2021 @05:47AM (#27004859)
>7. He talks about Narendra modi rallies. Seriously ? He took rallies in the states where elections being conducted by Indian election commission, like all all other political parties he has to support his party. This is saying like Biden cannot take election rally while Trump goes on giving daily speeches. Importantly, do you see the state of Westbengal where election allies happened in the top ?

He is the head of the nation. The larger the power center, the larger the responsibility. This guy literally boasted about the size of the crowd less than 10 days back, in the bang middle of the pandemic.

He deserves to be tried for murder, as well as the election officials.

Re:India’s second wave of Covid-19 feels nothing like its first by djmips on Saturday May 01, 2021 @05:51AM (#27004879)
> negative covid test report to participate in this religious event

It depends on the type of covid test, if this is going to be useful. Tests range from negligible error to significant false negatives.

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Re:India’s second wave of Covid-19 feels nothing like its first by sanmon3186 on Saturday May 01, 2021 @07:47AM (#27005483)
I seriously don’t understand, how whatever you wrote relates to the original comment.
Re:India’s second wave of Covid-19 feels nothing like its first by squaredisk on Saturday May 01, 2021 @09:35AM (#27006182)
I am pointing out the cultural reason for the western readers who are wondering or puzzled by the support for the current ruling party, even at this dire situation which the government could have avoided. It becomes clear when one understands what the vedas advocate, the privilege by birth offers and why it is so important over anything else for the priestly caste.
Re:India’s second wave of Covid-19 feels nothing like its first by selimthegrim on Saturday May 01, 2021 @12:30PM (#27007585)
Modi is Brahmin now?
Re:India’s second wave of Covid-19 feels nothing like its first by squaredisk on Monday May 03, 2021 @10:03AM (#27025206)
He can never be. No body can change castes. That's the worst part of vedas. Even Shivaji maharaj was not allowed to hear vedic verses because he was not from the priest caste. Modi is just an opportunist.
Re:India’s second wave of Covid-19 feels nothing like its first by madtantric on Saturday May 01, 2021 @01:23PM (#27008001)
Citation needed. Which vedic text advocates privilege based on birth?. On what basis is Modi privileged by birth? How does any of these matter in a discussion on covid. What about other religions in India, are they not affected?
Re:India’s second wave of Covid-19 feels nothing like its first by KrishnaAnaril on Saturday May 01, 2021 @09:49AM (#27006292)
Hello, It was election time in few states and all parties organized rallies not just Modi. I'm from Kerala, India.
Re:India’s second wave of Covid-19 feels nothing like its first by revendell_elf on Saturday May 01, 2021 @05:05AM (#27004623)
But those rallies were conducted in West Bangal and highest COVID cases are in Maharashtra. I'm definitely against these rallies but logic seems to fail us here, isn't it?
Re:India’s second wave of Covid-19 feels nothing like its first by kumarvvr on Saturday May 01, 2021 @11:07AM (#27006896)
A certain section of western media is distinctly biased against the ruling party. So there seems to be a lot of marketing for a certain point of view, nudging the facts aside.
Re:India’s second wave of Covid-19 feels nothing like its first by HotVector on Saturday May 01, 2021 @11:17AM (#27006969)
Might be because BJP is a right-wing nationalist party.
Re:India’s second wave of Covid-19 feels nothing like its first by revendell_elf on Saturday May 01, 2021 @12:06PM (#27007375)
any data to back your statement? I'm genuinely curious as to how one label a political party as right or left wing? BJP is a nationalist party no doubt about that though.
Re:India’s second wave of Covid-19 feels nothing like its first by pvsukale3 on Saturday May 01, 2021 @02:16PM (#27008482)
Testing per capita is not same across the country. Maharashtra has been doing a lot of testing. I have been in touch with my friends in UP and it is really hard to get tested there. So the current official numbers are not accurate there.
Re:India’s second wave of Covid-19 feels nothing like its first by pas on Saturday May 01, 2021 @05:41AM (#27004826)
Any Modi/BJP (or otherwise government permitted) rally anywhere sends the signal that people can be more lax.
Re:India’s second wave of Covid-19 feels nothing like its first by revendell_elf on Saturday May 01, 2021 @10:21AM (#27006528)
Even if they're in two opposite ends of India? Also, I don't want to take sides, but all other parties rallied during elections so why single out BJP? Once again, I'm strictly against these gatherings and I firmly believe that they should be banned without delay but this selective outrage is rather obvious that the agenda or the narrative is something else altogether.
Re:India’s second wave of Covid-19 feels nothing like its first by pas on Sunday May 02, 2021 @07:43AM (#27014374)
There very well could be a selective outrage, but I'm almost as far removed from this as possible. HN as a groupmind usually scolds the official government, because the assumption is that they have the most effective control over behavior of people.

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I simply said that Modi/BJP is responsible wherever they are.

Of course the other parties are responsible too.

And we can simply apply the Spiderman rule: more power, more responsibility. Modi is the PM, BJP is the ruling party. (And yes, of course in some states BJP's influence is lesser than some other party's. And there the responsibility of that particular party is greater.)

On top of all this it also depends what was the rhetoric of the other parties. Were they also loudly claiming victory over the pandemic? Naturally Modi trapped himself into a bit of a corner with that. (Even if facists can usually disregard/bend reality, but we shall see how the electorate takes this dissonance.)