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Re:It's your device, you should be able to repair it by shard on Friday April 30, 2021 @02:57PM (#26997754)
I'm going a little bit on a tangent here, and this may not apply so much to recent Apple phones, but Apple phones had planned obsolescence in terms of the design of their physical appearance such that you can tell almost instantly which generation it is. This allows broadcasting of status, that this person can afford the latest while that person can only afford to use a 2-year-old phone, thus artificially driving the upgrade cycle.
Re:It's your device, you should be able to repair it by zepto on Friday April 30, 2021 @06:36PM (#27000383)
That isn’t planned obsolescence, because the people who upgrade for status reasons don’t destroy their phones - they either pass them on or trade them in.

Arguably it’s the opposite of planned obsolescence - even used phones are not obsolete and are still in circulation.

It’s also worth pointing out that this is Apple’s stated policy - they want phones to last longer so that more people have them and they can continue to sell services to them.

Re:It's your device, you should be able to repair it by fsflover on Saturday May 01, 2021 @09:03AM (#27005972)
> That isn’t planned obsolescence, because the people who upgrade for status reasons don’t destroy their phones

This has nothing to do with the definition of planned obsolescence. It does not matter what people do with the old phones.

Re:It's your device, you should be able to repair it by zepto on Saturday May 01, 2021 @11:59AM (#27007304)
It obviously does. If the phones are still in service, then by definition they are not obsolete.
Re:It's your device, you should be able to repair it by fsflover on Saturday May 01, 2021 @05:53PM (#27010228)
Reread the thread. In this thread, the OP is speaking about design obsolescence.
Re:It's your device, you should be able to repair it by zepto on Saturday May 01, 2021 @09:36PM (#27011619)
> Reread the thread. In this thread, the OP is speaking about design obsolescence.

I don’t need to reread it. My response applies to design obsolescence.

Relatively few people upgrade every year these days. The fact that the old devices are still desirable negates the idea that people don’t want them because they look outdated. I.e. changes in design are not causing people to stop using the devices.

For design obsolescence to apply to Apple, workable devices would need to be retired from service early because they were no longer seen as desirable.

That isn’t happening.

Re:It's your device, you should be able to repair it by shard on Monday May 03, 2021 @12:05AM (#27021514)
I don't think what you are stating is the definition for planned obsolescence. For example, even though there is a used car market, the fact that someone upgrades their car due to fashion means it's planned obsolescence. In fact, that's where the term was born.
Re:It's your device, you should be able to repair it by fsflover on Sunday May 02, 2021 @09:57AM (#27015331)
> Relatively few people upgrade every year these days.

[Citation needed]

Re:It's your device, you should be able to repair it by zepto on Sunday May 02, 2021 @12:16PM (#27016436)
No - this is trivially googled.

Compare phones sold to phones in service.

Tens of millions vs more then a billion.