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Re:Taiwan bans recruitment for jobs in China by xyzzy21 on Friday April 30, 2021 @02:05PM (#26997064)
TSMC pays very well compared to other companies in the same market. I'm guessing you are hearing from people who've never worked for UMC or PowerChip!

Of course, the other fun fact: ANY TSMC employees who went to China will never get jobs in Hsinchu et al. ever again. One-way decision only. Burned bridge.

Re:Taiwan bans recruitment for jobs in China by shalmanese on Friday April 30, 2021 @05:17PM (#26999470)
What? No they don't. TSMC starting wages [1] for a Masters degree candidate is $19,500 USD per year, for a bachelor's degree is $13,000 USD per year. Their median salary is less than $60K USD (which includes US engineers who are paid much more).

They were finally shamed into a 20% above the board wage hike last November [2] but before then, they went a solid 10 years of 3 - 5% COL adjustments.

They might pay well compared to other Taiwanese semi companies but that's only an indictment over how dismal the Taiwanese employment situation is. They're not lacking money, they're just cheap because the executive team culturally does not believe in rewarding talent.

[1] https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3925769 [2] https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/4052667

Re:Taiwan bans recruitment for jobs in China by varispeed on Friday April 30, 2021 @03:40PM (#26998282)
> TSMC pays very well

Many big companies indeed pay relatively well in comparison to other professions, but workers are heavily underpaid. You can't justify the fact that companies have multi-billion profits and they pay "market rate" salaries at the same time. This is exploitation of workers, but because the amount they are being paid seems to be big, nobody seems to be protesting. Most tech workers should be earning in seven digits.

Re:Taiwan bans recruitment for jobs in China by refurb on Saturday May 01, 2021 @02:33AM (#27003831)
Compensation isn’t dependent upon value added. That simply indicates a soft ceiling to compensation. It’s all about supply and demand. If there is a supply of skilled people will to work for $X, that’s the comp.
Re:Taiwan bans recruitment for jobs in China by varispeed on Saturday May 01, 2021 @06:48AM (#27005177)
I wonder how companies marketing their roles at "market rates" does not amount to wage-fixing? If every company agrees that work should cost them $x at most, then you don't really have supply and demand principle. I think this is only legal because because it is hard to prove within current legal framework. I think we should have a regulation that will make employers redistribute 30% of profits among workers as a bonus. That may of course lead to companies making artificial loses (as they do to avoid paying corporation tax) and ultimately a cat and mouse game.
Re:Taiwan bans recruitment for jobs in China by refurb on Saturday May 01, 2021 @07:29AM (#27005382)
Well, unless companies collude (tech is a good example a while back), they compete for labor so you’d assume they arrive at the market rate eventually.

As you said, mandating they distribute profits will just result in gaming the system.

Re:Taiwan bans recruitment for jobs in China by jsmcgd on Friday April 30, 2021 @04:06PM (#26998610)
> Most tech workers should be earning in seven digits

According to which metric?

Re:Taiwan bans recruitment for jobs in China by ev1 on Friday April 30, 2021 @04:27PM (#26998854)
1 million Taiwan dollars is 30k USD
Re:Taiwan bans recruitment for jobs in China by fossuser on Friday April 30, 2021 @03:50PM (#26998409)
I think it's more akin to sanctions on doing business in Iran.

The CCP is a direct hostile threat to Taiwan, I can understand why they're doing this.

Re:Taiwan bans recruitment for jobs in China by luckylion on Friday April 30, 2021 @04:13PM (#26998697)
Wouldn't they do the same if it was France poaching them? The language and cultural barrier make it harder for European or American countries to recruit them, but I have no doubt they'd react similarly if they saw significant numbers leaving for Europe.
Re:Taiwan bans recruitment for jobs in China by fossuser on Friday April 30, 2021 @04:14PM (#26998714)
They might and I'd argue that would be wrong.

In the case of the CCP though, I understand it.

Re:Taiwan bans recruitment for jobs in China by billyzs on Friday April 30, 2021 @05:37PM (#26999689)
why the double standard?
Re:Taiwan bans recruitment for jobs in China by fossuser on Friday April 30, 2021 @07:34PM (#27000988)
France isn’t planning to invade Taiwan.
Re:Taiwan bans recruitment for jobs in China by liuliu on Friday April 30, 2021 @04:18PM (#26998755)
Then just do a sanction on business with mainland like U.S. did with Iran. As it is, these are very targeted moves. Taiwan to decoupling from China would only be good for them.
Re:Taiwan bans recruitment for jobs in China by cercatrova on Saturday May 01, 2021 @02:11PM (#27008435)
The labor market, just like any market, prices goods according to supply and demand, not value.
Re:Taiwan bans recruitment for jobs in China by newacct583 on Friday April 30, 2021 @03:45PM (#26998360)
UMC and PowerChip are not remotely "in the same market", unless you define market to mean "China".

TSMC competes with Samsung and Intel. If they don't compensate their engineers accordingly they can expect to lose them.

Re:Taiwan bans recruitment for jobs in China by belval on Friday April 30, 2021 @02:09PM (#26997113)
TSMC here is really a placeholder for Taiwanese companies.