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Re:EU says Apple’s App Store breaks competition rules after ... by vlozko on Friday April 30, 2021 @01:21PM (#26996388)
There’s fixed components to the cost as well as variable ones. Storage/CDN distribution is relatively fixed. I would say so is access to developer tools and APIs. What’s variable are services that an app may take advantage of, such as push notifications, geolocation queries, iCloud access, and App Store approvals. More established companies tend to release new versions on a weekly or bi-weekly basis.
Re:EU says Apple’s App Store breaks competition rules after ... by heavyset_go on Friday April 30, 2021 @04:44PM (#26999060)
> What’s variable are services that an app may take advantage of, such as push notifications, geolocation queries, iCloud access, and App Store approvals.

Cool, so let competition roll out implementations of these services, and developers can decide on their own if its worth using Apple's services or their competitors.

Consumers will be able to reap the benefits of increased competition, as the free market delivers to them better, cheaper and more efficient solutions.

Re:EU says Apple’s App Store breaks competition rules after ... by jpttsn on Friday April 30, 2021 @06:13PM (#27000125)
Why would Apple agree to this? Is it not morally important that they consent?
Re:EU says Apple’s App Store breaks competition rules after ... by heavyset_go on Friday April 30, 2021 @06:53PM (#27000568)
> Why would Apple agree to this?

Because they're looking down the barrel of antitrust suits.

> Is it not morally important that they consent?

Is it morally important that they consent to following the law? No, it isn't. Antitrust laws are very clear, and if a company violates them, then they'll face penalties and prosecution.

Re:EU says Apple’s App Store breaks competition rules after ... by jpttsn on Saturday May 01, 2021 @06:51AM (#27005193)
I disagree. I think this law is immoral.

I think my local warlords are trying to take something someone else made, because they want to feel big, and are happy leave destruction in their wake.

I hope it fails this time.

Re:EU says Apple’s App Store breaks competition rules after ... by thaumasiotes on Friday April 30, 2021 @01:59PM (#26996970)
> What’s variable are services that an app may take advantage of, such as push notifications

Why are push notifications an Apple service? Wouldn't we be better off moving that into the apps?

Re:EU says Apple’s App Store breaks competition rules after ... by npunt on Friday April 30, 2021 @03:43PM (#26998327)
Apple runs APNS which handles delivery of non-local notifications to all iOS devices.
Re:EU says Apple’s App Store breaks competition rules after ... by rockinghigh on Friday April 30, 2021 @03:52PM (#26998443)
So you can receive notifications even when the app is closed.
Re:EU says Apple’s App Store breaks competition rules after ... by thaumasiotes on Friday April 30, 2021 @04:28PM (#26998859)
Doesn't seem worth it.
Re:EU says Apple’s App Store breaks competition rules after ... by jpttsn on Friday April 30, 2021 @06:16PM (#27000159)
That summarizes exactly why I hope this type of legislation doesn’t work out.

Today I can trust that any apps I download will use APNS or nothing.

Alternatively, a horror show of cheap and broken push implementations from developers who want to save a dime.

Consumers would suffer a thousand cuts and the value of the platform would plummet, eventually hurting developers more.

Re:EU says Apple’s App Store breaks competition rules after ... by ThatPlayer on Friday April 30, 2021 @06:51PM (#27000539)
Then Apple can lower the cost and developers won't have to switch to save a dime. Then Apple can keep their platform value.

Alternatives means competition. Keeping the value of their platform up is no excuse for anti-competitive practices.

Re:EU says Apple’s App Store breaks competition rules after ... by jpttsn on Saturday May 01, 2021 @06:47AM (#27005173)
Developers will always choose the cheapest option. Someone will make a “free backup just watch this 30s ad” and people would use that instead of iCloud.

You fetishize competition. I want apple to be allowed to be anti competitive on their own platform. Just like I want to go to Disneyworld and not having to choose between competing companies’ versions of Space Mountain.

The rest of the world outside the walled garden is a competitive market. Once inside the walled garden, we have paid handsomely not to be competed for.

Re:EU says Apple’s App Store breaks competition rules after ... by carstenhag on Friday April 30, 2021 @06:07PM (#27000031)
Saves a ton of battery, goes through all firewalls etc. Same applies to Google's Firebase push notifications.