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Re:Stock Market Returns Are Anything but Average by johnwheeler on Friday April 30, 2021 @01:19PM (#26996362)
I agree with this except I think if you know a stock or two is good, diversification is unnecessary. I’ve only had two stocks in my portfolio for the last ten years.
Re:Stock Market Returns Are Anything but Average by kevincrane on Friday April 30, 2021 @01:45PM (#26996765)
Same for the lottery, if you just know which numbers are good then you only have to buy one or two tickets ever and you're set for life.
Re:Stock Market Returns Are Anything but Average by ProAm on Friday April 30, 2021 @02:12PM (#26997163)
You cannot study about lottery numbers however. Whereas studying business isn't impossible.
Re:Stock Market Returns Are Anything but Average by stouset on Friday April 30, 2021 @07:19PM (#27000821)
All of the available evidence demonstrates that even experienced fund managers with access to extensive, expensive, and focused research on the companies they invest in perform no better on average than VTSAX.

Further, there’s no strategy to find the winning fund managers. The distribution of winners and losers over time seems to be exactly what you’d expect from random chance, and even fund managers who’ve been successful for years have the exact same odds of having their next year be awful as anyone else.

Re:Stock Market Returns Are Anything but Average by johnwheeler on Friday April 30, 2021 @03:10PM (#26997918)
This is a bad analogy. The stock market is not a lottery. It’s a place to buy and sell shares of a company. Most people treat it like a lottery and that can serve you rather than hurt you if you know what you’re doing.
Re:Stock Market Returns Are Anything but Average by blaser-waffle on Friday April 30, 2021 @04:55PM (#26999187)
For all the DD you do, there is no predicting the future.

Plus there is a very real incentive for companies to do shady things, e.g. Volkswagon or Enron.

Are you sure those companies you're holding aren't lying out of their ass? Can you prove that? Like, unless you're in the accounting dept. at those firms -- or someone who can otherwise get those numbers -- you can't.

At that point it's gambling. It may be akin to counting cards, where you can make probabilistic guesses, but best case is still uncertain.

Otherwise you're rocking a very special secret, or are manipulating the market. But for the rest of the us stock plebs, is effectively gambling.

Re:Stock Market Returns Are Anything but Average by johnwheeler on Friday April 30, 2021 @06:33PM (#27000343)
Yes.
Re:Stock Market Returns Are Anything but Average by toomuchtodo on Saturday May 01, 2021 @12:26AM (#27003087)
Re:Stock Market Returns Are Anything but Average by SCUSKU on Friday April 30, 2021 @01:27PM (#26996486)
I am happy for you that your 2 picks have been good. But most likely you have been lucky (maybe you picked AMZN, TSLA). Modern portfolio theory states that diversification gets you closer to better returns on average with lower risk. [1]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_portfolio_theory#Divers...

Re:Stock Market Returns Are Anything but Average by johnwheeler on Friday April 30, 2021 @03:08PM (#26997887)
I would say people who picked amzn and Tesla are lucky. The jury is out on amzn. Bezos did something no public company ever did to the extent he did. He put customers before profits in an extreme way. Then, he built another multi billion dollar unit from scratch with AWS. So far, it’s worked out but the PE makes it speculative nonetheless. But the gap is quickly closing making it an investment grade issue. I don’t know so I leave it alone knowing I’ll regret it one day. That’s fine. I stay away unless I’m 95% sure. I would say s&p 500 represents 100% certainty overtime, because if it wasn’t, life as we know it wouldn’t be the same anyway we’d have bigger problems. Tesla is just a dumb gamble. There’s no justification at all for its price and history shows us what can happen with auto stocks.
Re:Stock Market Returns Are Anything but Average by SavantIdiot on Friday April 30, 2021 @01:42PM (#26996716)
Methinks 'johnwheeler' is full of it and probably just discovered reddit, WSB, and stonks
Re:Stock Market Returns Are Anything but Average by z2 on Friday April 30, 2021 @02:32PM (#26997438)
Ultimately it's about risk (permanent loss) control, and if you've done the research into those couple of companies, have high confidence in their continued success, and are diligent in continuing to update your views, then it sounds like you're managing risk well. There's always the chance of unknown, idiosyncratic, and potentially disruptive factors though--from a financial planning and risk management perspective, even founders are urged to diversify away from their own company's equity eventually, regardless of how successful they are.
Re:Stock Market Returns Are Anything but Average by johnwheeler on Friday April 30, 2021 @03:09PM (#26997904)
Yes there’s a bigger chance of a black swan event. You have to answer for yourself if the extra point or two of cagr is worth it.